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Pemalite on 20 March 2022
PDF said:
Dulfite said:

I get the impression you think Putin will actually fire the nukes? No way that happens, despite whatever rhetoric on his behalf. He isn't stupid, if Russia fires nukes, almost every single one of them will get shot down before they land (most of them will be destroyed at the missile sites before they even have a chance to be unleashed). The few that day land won't hit any major cities as their iron dome defenses (for lack of a better term) will kick in, so the allies will basically have minimal losses, yet Moscow would be utterly annihilated at the very least (enough nukes will launch at that one city alone that they couldn't shoot all of them down) and Russia would dissolve into numerous warring/separated factions without it, leaving Russia gone as an empire of the past and Putin as the laughingstock dictator of a once great nation. Putin, I think, wants to go down in history as a powerful leader, not one who brought about the destruction of the nation he lead. No way, if he is sane, will he launch nukes. He only has a chance at winning proxy, conventional wars, not anything direct against NATO and certainly not going nuclear.

If he is crazy, on the other hand, then I think his own generals would remove him from power or kill him before they actually launch nukes.

It is unlikely the US can stop Russian nukes or Europe for that matter. We still have a terrible time intercepting ICBMs. It is not the same as what Isreal does with the iron dome. Let alone the sheer amount of nuclear missiles that Russia can launch would overwhelm any system.

https://www.salon.com/2022/03/03/why-scientists-still-cant-figure-out-how-to-intercept-icbms/

Your point about Putin and Russia being annihilated still stands and is the reason he won't use nukes.

Not to mention Israel is about to augment the Iron Dome defense system with the Iron Beam laser defense system.

It's incredible how such a defense was built from scratch in only just 4 years... And even used components from toy cars to design to keep costs down.

NATO has a defense system in place in Europe... And the USA has it's own system which should take the brunt.

Keep in mind that Russia is technologically archaic.

KratosLives said:

Scomo is pathetic,  he showed bad leadership during the whole covid fiasco

His first bout of poor leadership... And one that hits home for me personally is when he decided to piss off on a holiday, drinking cocktails on a beautiful beach whilst the nation was literally burning.
Then had the gall to tell Australians "he doesn't hold a hose" whilst trying to forcibly shake peoples hands and big-note himself in various fires around the nation... (Meanwhile Ukraine's leader is picking up a gun to protect their country and put their life on the line...)

He was universally shunned when he came to my firefighting campaign on Kangaroo Island. Deservedly so.

Pauline Hanson, Katter and Palmer were also all trying to be opportunistic leeches. When Pauline came to my fire station she wasn't even allowed to enter.






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crissindahouse on 20 March 2022

Russia paying mercenaries from Lybia and Syria to kill people in Ukraine with Russian weapons but we can't give Ukrainians tanks and other heavier weaponry to defend their own country on their own ground. Pathetic....



SanAndreasX on 20 March 2022
crissindahouse said:

Russia paying mercenaries from Lybia and Syria to kill people in Ukraine with Russian weapons but we can't give Ukrainians tanks and other heavier weaponry to defend their own country on their own ground. Pathetic....

Putin does understand that he is a sociopath and we aren’t, and that we don’t want a nuclear war, whereas he has far fewer qualms about starting one. He’s also counting on the 600 million people of military age in China to ride to his rescue if NATO decides to step in. 



Zkuq on 20 March 2022

Gotta say that Putin's impudence at threatening his enemies with military tribunal and demanding surrender for basic human decency is truly infuriating. It's like he's trying to think of ways to make the situation even worse, even when it provides no benefit to Russia. That man has absolutely no honour and deserves no respect either.



Dulfite on 20 March 2022

I'm thinking that intelligence guy rumored to take over from Putin has probably already been removed from his position by Putin, even if it was false I doubt he wants to take any chances. I can't imagine what Putin will do to him and his loved ones.

This is one example of a free press getting in the way. If that was true, then our best shot at peace may have just gone down the toilet because the press wanted clicks and they outed a potential coup d'etat that could have made Russia return to at least somewhat more sanity. Not that they will, they could be worse under this other guy for all I know, but if the goal is to restore trade with the West then they will have to retreat from Ukraine.

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Zkuq on 21 March 2022
CaptainExplosion said:
Zkuq said:

Gotta say that Putin's impudence at threatening his enemies with military tribunal and demanding surrender for basic human decency is truly infuriating. It's like he's trying to think of ways to make the situation even worse, even when it provides no benefit to Russia. That man has absolutely no honour and deserves no respect either.

Negotiations won't work with that twat face. Peace talks will no doubt fail, so to prevent World War III from happening we need to arm the Ukraine and kill Putin. Like it or not, he has to die so that we don't get nuked.

You're almost certainly wrong, and I'm not even going to waste time explaining why because I'm pretty sure I've seen it get explained many times even in this thread. Also please don't waste my time in the future by responding with something almost completely unrelated to what I said.



Pemalite on 21 March 2022
SanAndreasX said:
crissindahouse said:

Russia paying mercenaries from Lybia and Syria to kill people in Ukraine with Russian weapons but we can't give Ukrainians tanks and other heavier weaponry to defend their own country on their own ground. Pathetic....

Putin does understand that he is a sociopath and we aren’t, and that we don’t want a nuclear war, whereas he has far fewer qualms about starting one. He’s also counting on the 600 million people of military age in China to ride to his rescue if NATO decides to step in. 

Who cares? If protecting innocent lives results in a Nuclear war, we still did the right thing.




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drkohler on 21 March 2022
crissindahouse said:

Russia paying mercenaries from Lybia and Syria to kill people in Ukraine with Russian weapons ..

Mercenaries are, in general, a bad idea right from the start.

Remember the Russian attack of a military compound near the Polish border a few days ago?

The compound was full with British mercenaries that had no better idea than using their cell phones to phone home their "adventures of the day". All the Russians did was pick up the calls and send a bunch of cruise missiles to the origin of the calls. After that, the survivors ran home as fast as they could.

This is what happens when you hire people with good intent but no strict military discipline and experience. While it sounds good that Ukrania has called for volunteers, the results are, unfortunately, pretty destructive. Recent reports tell of mass exoduses of those foreign fighters (it didn't help either that the contracts they had to sign were "slightly" one-sided)..

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KiigelHeart on 21 March 2022
CaptainExplosion said:

Negotiations won't work with that twat face. Peace talks will no doubt fail, so to prevent World War III from happening we need to arm the Ukraine and kill Putin. Like it or not, he has to die so that we don't get nuked.

How on Earth would us killing Putin prevent WW3? Sounds like a way to start it and take a step towards a nuclear war.



m0ney on 21 March 2022

It is time to stop peaceful protests and time to start throwing molotovs at omon, it is the only way.



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