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People care more about wars when millions of refugees come to your country (same with Syria) and especially when it's a country you are befrinded with.

I did also hate how Yemen got destroyed without anyone really talking about it more than once in a while but it's still not surprising that this got a much bigger attention especially in Europe obviously since it's an European country directly on EU's border.

It does obviously get more attention because Russia attacking Ukraine shows other European countries like Estonia what could happen to them.

You must be pretty confused If you don't see the difference and why this is obviously way more concerning for Europeans and also other NATO members


It's not only about the humanitarian crisis but also what this could mean for the rest of Europe if Russia would just roll over Ukraine.

The situation in Yemen was/is even worse (yet) but it's much less of a danger for the rest of the world.

And btw, using a thread which ist about Russia attacking another country to complain about the Western countries is Whataboutism. Trying to blame the West for something in another country which has nothing to do with Russia murdering Ukrainians just to let it sound as if Putin isn't so much different as many others. 

It's like "well can't deny what Putin does so let's just find bad stuff about the West as well" - Whataboutism

Last edited by crissindahouse - on 13 March 2022

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Hiku said:
SecondWar said:

Ok, Syrians I can understand the logic. Serbians, not so much as they haven't fought a war in 20 years. Nagorno-Karabakh (also known as Artsakh) is very strange. Assuming they mean the ethnic Armenians and not the Russians stationed there as peace-keepers. They fought a war 18 months ago and got creamed. Not great experience and seems they are ineffective. One of the big takeaways was they used poor and out-dated tactics, similar to Russia now. Are they just being thrown there as cannon-fodder so Putin doesn't have to use his own soldiers?

Serbia is very close to Russia. (Figuratively) They consider themselves the same people, or brothers/sisters. Learning Russian in elementary school instead of English wasn't uncommon, at least a while back. Not sure about today.
And I believe probably the biggest thing is that they never forgot the NATO bombings of Yugoslavia.

NATO bombing of Yugoslavia - Wikipedia

So they are generally pretty anti-USA and pro Russia.
The country also devolved into corruption after the war.

All good points. The close ties between Serbia and Russia had slipped my mind. In the same vein, Armenia has had to get closer to Russia since the 2020 war or else it risks annihilation against Azerbaijan.

But in terms of military effectiveness I don’t see what they will bring besides numbers and troops that aren’t Russian for Putin to use.



Ryuu96 said:

I'll just repeat for those who actually bother to read my posts properly and understand we're talking in the context of this war.

I was against multiple interventions in the Middle-East, I'm very much opposed to the atrocities happening in Yemen, I was in favour of eventually pulling out of Afghanistan, etc. Anyone who actually knows me is well aware of this stuff and my repeated calling outs on the West, a user like @Moren can vouch for that.

Those are debates for a different thread though and to debate them now only takes away from the current issue at hand, once Ukraine is saved I will go back to calling out that stuff. In this specific context, Putin is the evil one and the West is doing something good.

This thread has made me want Supporter so much more than before 👀

Also yes, whining about NATO makes you a useful idiot to Putin.

Nope, it doesn't take away from any issue at hand. Ukraine and Ukrainians will get all the support and love they deserve regardless, because of the nature of the invader no more.

In fact, it is the best time to highlight the west's hypocrisy, when the normies, the idiots and the ignorant senes are heightened. Enjoy.



Ryuu96 said:
LurkerJ said:

Nope, it doesn't take away from any issue at hand. Ukraine and Ukrainians will get all the support and love they deserve regardless, because of the nature of the invader no more.

In fact, it is the best time to highlight the west's hypocrisy, when the normies, the idiots and the ignorant senes are heightened. Enjoy.

Okay, West are hypocrites, as I've already said in this thread and as you'd be well aware if you actually paid attention, most of my annoyance is towards people trying to blame NATO, now back to the issue at hand and the topic of this thread, Ukraine.

Good on you for acknowledging, one step away from immaturity. The next step is to acknowledge that you're a hypocrite as well for caring a lot more up about this invasion than western backed monstrosities, and that the only reason you are this fired up for Ukraine because the media lit a match under your bum rather than your innate goodness.

Fucking puppets. 

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LurkerJ said:
Ryuu96 said:

Okay, West are hypocrites, as I've already said in this thread and as you'd be well aware if you actually paid attention, most of my annoyance is towards people trying to blame NATO, now back to the issue at hand and the topic of this thread, Ukraine.

Good on you for acknowledging, one step away from immaturity. The next step is to acknowledge that you're a hypocrite as well for caring a lot more up about this invasion than western backed monstrosities, and that the only reason you are this fired up for Ukraine because the media lit a match under your bum rather than your innate goodness.

Fucking puppets. 

The reason is usually the west has semi justifiable reasons for starting wars.
Russia doesnt have any justification for this.



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LurkerJ said:
Ryuu96 said:

Okay, West are hypocrites, as I've already said in this thread and as you'd be well aware if you actually paid attention, most of my annoyance is towards people trying to blame NATO, now back to the issue at hand and the topic of this thread, Ukraine.

Good on you for acknowledging, one step away from immaturity. The next step is to acknowledge that you're a hypocrite as well for caring a lot more up about this invasion than western backed monstrosities, and that the only reason you are this fired up for Ukraine because the media lit a match under your bum rather than your innate goodness.

Fucking puppets. 

Lets just call this BS.  You do not get to decide what one person cares about just because you throw some virtue BS in the thread.  I highly doubt you are really as concerned about other conflicts as much as you project but instead want to get that old superior feeling going calling out hypocrisy when I doubt you check your own.  If this is a conflict that stirs Ryuu then so be it.

Anyone who has payed any attention to the world understand how all nations work in their best interest or in some respect personal interest.  Even your comment is a self gratifying attempt to prop up yourself then anything else.  "Oh I see the world for what it is" PLEASE.  Go somewhere with that crap.  You do not know anyone on this thread anymore than the next guy down the street.  Stop acting like you actually know someone and what stirs them to any event.  Maybe if you are looking for hypocrisy you best to look first within.

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Every single person has bias, favoring some things over others. And limiting the current focus on Ukraine to simply race is absurd. The west has many things more in common with Ukraine than Yemen. History, religion, system of government, various aspects of culture (clothing, music, sports), etc. Ukraine is also a European country, which hasn't had war on its soil much in the past half century, whereas the Middle Eastern nations have basically just been a land of ceaseless wars for our entire lives.

All persecution, genocide, and wars are things we should strive to stop, but of course some hit closer to home than others. I'd imagine many in the Middle East aren't terribly concerned or empathetic towards the Ukrainians either. We all have bias.



This'll send shivers down your spine. Here's a Russian veteran getting a little too real for domestic TV about the cost of the war in Ukraine. Check out how he's treated.



Ryuu96 said:

Russia has asked China for military ​equipment to ​support its invasion of Ukraine, ​according to US officials, sparking concern in ​the White House that Beijing ​may undermine western efforts to help Ukrainian forces defend their country.

US officials told the Financial Times that Russia had requested military equipment and other assistance since the start of the invasion. They declined to give details about what Russia had requested.

Another person familiar with the situation said the US was preparing to warn its allies, amid some indications that China may be preparing to help Russia. Other US officials have said there were signs that Russia was running out of some kinds of weaponry as the war in Ukraine extends into its third week.

US claims Russia has asked China for military help in invasion of Ukraine | Financial Times (ft.com)

Who else is Russia going to beg for help from? Shit looking desperate, I don't see China helping them out if true, if anything China will wait for Russia to be crushed economically and then pick up the pieces, that would be the smart thing to do, after Russia becomes dirt poor and desperate, rather than risk Western anger in helping them out. Putin's legacy may be making Russia a vassal state to China, Lol.

I’d like to hope your interpretation is true but I’m less optimistic.



Ryuu96 said:

I’m unsure though what the immediate impact of this would be - on Russia, on the war and the knock-on effect on others.