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Which game are you excited most for?

The Legend of Zelda: BotW 2 38 58.46%
 
Nintendo Switch Sports 2 3.08%
 
Bayonetta 3 4 6.15%
 
Splatoon 3 1 1.54%
 
Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope 1 1.54%
 
Fire Emblem Warriors: Three Hopes 0 0%
 
Kirby and the Forgotten Land 6 9.23%
 
Xenoblade Chronicles 3 11 16.92%
 
No Man's Sky 1 1.54%
 
Sonic Frontiers 1 1.54%
 
Total:65
Dulfite said:
SKMBlake said:

Okay so with the announcement of a new Pokémon generation for 2022, this year is already the Switch's best year, and we're only in February

I think, honestly, this is the first year we are feeling the impact of consolidating both handheld and home console software divisions. It took a while for home console teams to get used to HD with the Wii U, and longer still for the 3ds teams to learn HD games, but now they are firing on all cylinders. I think this kind of release schedule will be the norm going forward with every year seeming more loaded than any one Nintendo device had prior to 2022.

Perhaps. It is true Switch never had the feeling that Nintendo combined two systems worth of divisions into a single one focused on Switch. But this year certainly feels like that. I'll wait to see what next year is like though. I wouldn't expect next year to be anything like this year, but if next year is pretty heavy too then you might be right. I mean you gotta figure they'd hold back on the next Pokemon if they expected 2023 to be slow. So yeah maybe could be that Nintendo's output is just gonna be ridiculous from now on...one can hope!

And if that is the case...I feel sorry for MS and Sony lol. They can't compete with Switch even when Nintendo has moderate and sometimes slow output. If Nintendo starts having stellar first party software years every single year they're gonna be pushing insane HW and SW numbers in the future.



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Slownenberg said:
Dulfite said:

I think, honestly, this is the first year we are feeling the impact of consolidating both handheld and home console software divisions. It took a while for home console teams to get used to HD with the Wii U, and longer still for the 3ds teams to learn HD games, but now they are firing on all cylinders. I think this kind of release schedule will be the norm going forward with every year seeming more loaded than any one Nintendo device had prior to 2022.

Perhaps. It is true Switch never had the feeling that Nintendo combined two systems worth of divisions into a single one focused on Switch. But this year certainly feels like that. I'll wait to see what next year is like though. I wouldn't expect next year to be anything like this year, but if next year is pretty heavy too then you might be right. I mean you gotta figure they'd hold back on the next Pokemon if they expected 2023 to be slow. So yeah maybe could be that Nintendo's output is just gonna be ridiculous from now on...one can hope!

And if that is the case...I feel sorry for MS and Sony lol. They can't compete with Switch even when Nintendo has moderate and sometimes slow output. If Nintendo starts having stellar first party software years every single year they're gonna be pushing insane HW and SW numbers in the future.

I figure 3ds games took at least half the resources and hours to develop as Wii U games, so they should be able to make minimum 1.5 times more games per system, especially since the Wii U graphics are basically the same level as Switch so half their teams are already used to this level. If Switch 2 is another minor jump forward like Switch was, then I expect that production to stay at that level if not increase, but if it is a big jump like Wii U was over Wii, then perhaps they will start lowering production rates again.



Dulfite said:
Slownenberg said:

Perhaps. It is true Switch never had the feeling that Nintendo combined two systems worth of divisions into a single one focused on Switch. But this year certainly feels like that. I'll wait to see what next year is like though. I wouldn't expect next year to be anything like this year, but if next year is pretty heavy too then you might be right. I mean you gotta figure they'd hold back on the next Pokemon if they expected 2023 to be slow. So yeah maybe could be that Nintendo's output is just gonna be ridiculous from now on...one can hope!

And if that is the case...I feel sorry for MS and Sony lol. They can't compete with Switch even when Nintendo has moderate and sometimes slow output. If Nintendo starts having stellar first party software years every single year they're gonna be pushing insane HW and SW numbers in the future.

I figure 3ds games took at least half the resources and hours to develop as Wii U games, so they should be able to make minimum 1.5 times more games per system, especially since the Wii U graphics are basically the same level as Switch so half their teams are already used to this level. If Switch 2 is another minor jump forward like Switch was, then I expect that production to stay at that level if not increase, but if it is a big jump like Wii U was over Wii, then perhaps they will start lowering production rates again.

Transitioning to 4/8K will be an intriguing challenge for Nintendo as their games are usually not games that you would usually try to show for the 4/8K difference.. Especially since the resolution doesn’t really affect gameplay in the grand scheme of things for Nintendo and their usual game development philosophies. Plus, 4K/8K games will take even longer than HD to develop. If people are complaining of Game Freak now with their constant output (or already have been), then you wonder about their transition to higher resolutions.



2022 is better than 2017. 2 new pokemon games and Mario strikers and many other things.



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2022 will definitely have more games than 2017 in the "good" category, what remains to be seen is if it can manage to have just as many or more in the "great" category.



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curl-6 said:

2022 will definitely have more games than 2017 in the "good" category, what remains to be seen is if it can manage to have just as many or more in the "great" category.

Well Bayo 3 can def reach 92 or 93 on Metacritic, BOTW2 can def reach its 97 or even 98 (that has been "stolen" by Jim Sterling for BOTW), so it's already 2 great games.

Same goes with Xenoblade Chronicles 3.



SKMBlake said:
curl-6 said:

2022 will definitely have more games than 2017 in the "good" category, what remains to be seen is if it can manage to have just as many or more in the "great" category.

Well Bayo 3 can def reach 92 or 93 on Metacritic, BOTW2 can def reach its 97 or even 98 (that has been "stolen" by Jim Sterling for BOTW), so it's already 2 great games.

Same goes with Xenoblade Chronicles 3.

All those are all definite potentials, but it remains to be seen how they turn out and if they aren't pushed back to 2023.

For me personally, 2017 had three top tier games for Switch; BOTW, Mario Odyssey, and Doom 2016, with Xenoblade 2 and Splatoon 2 as honourable mentions.

2022 will most likely have more honourable mentions. It's that top tier that will be the battleground. Three diamonds in one year is a hard act to top.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 28 February 2022

curl-6 said:
SKMBlake said:

Well Bayo 3 can def reach 92 or 93 on Metacritic, BOTW2 can def reach its 97 or even 98 (that has been "stolen" by Jim Sterling for BOTW), so it's already 2 great games.

Same goes with Xenoblade Chronicles 3.

All those are all definite potentials, but it remains to be seen how they turn out and if they aren't pushed back to 2023.

For me personally, 2017 had three top tier games for Switch; BOTW, Mario Odyssey, and Doom 2016, with Xenoblade 2 and Splatoon 2 as honourable mentions.

2022 will most likely have more honourable mentions. It's that top tier that will be the battleground. Three diamonds in one year is a hard act to top.

Don't forget we're only in February, we still don't know what they have in their sleeves



SKMBlake said:
curl-6 said:

All those are all definite potentials, but it remains to be seen how they turn out and if they aren't pushed back to 2023.

For me personally, 2017 had three top tier games for Switch; BOTW, Mario Odyssey, and Doom 2016, with Xenoblade 2 and Splatoon 2 as honourable mentions.

2022 will most likely have more honourable mentions. It's that top tier that will be the battleground. Three diamonds in one year is a hard act to top.

Don't forget we're only in February, we still don't know what they have in their sleeves

Very true; it's common for Switch games to be revealed just a few months from release and there's very likely at least one big game coming this year that's still a secret. 3 weeks ago we didn't know about Xenoblade 3 or Switch Sports for example, and 24 hours ago we didn't know about Pokémon Scarlet/Violet.

The next 10 months are going to be very interesting to say the least.



Dulfite said:
Slownenberg said:

Perhaps. It is true Switch never had the feeling that Nintendo combined two systems worth of divisions into a single one focused on Switch. But this year certainly feels like that. I'll wait to see what next year is like though. I wouldn't expect next year to be anything like this year, but if next year is pretty heavy too then you might be right. I mean you gotta figure they'd hold back on the next Pokemon if they expected 2023 to be slow. So yeah maybe could be that Nintendo's output is just gonna be ridiculous from now on...one can hope!

And if that is the case...I feel sorry for MS and Sony lol. They can't compete with Switch even when Nintendo has moderate and sometimes slow output. If Nintendo starts having stellar first party software years every single year they're gonna be pushing insane HW and SW numbers in the future.

I figure 3ds games took at least half the resources and hours to develop as Wii U games, so they should be able to make minimum 1.5 times more games per system, especially since the Wii U graphics are basically the same level as Switch so half their teams are already used to this level. If Switch 2 is another minor jump forward like Switch was, then I expect that production to stay at that level if not increase, but if it is a big jump like Wii U was over Wii, then perhaps they will start lowering production rates again.

For sure Switch 2 will be a major jump over Switch, as the only reason GC -> Wii and WiiU -> Switch were small jumps was because they focused on developing motion controls and then moved from console to handheld. So yeah that's a good point it will take more resources to make games for Switch 2. But that said, they are also focused right now on expanding their development teams so hopefully by the time Switch 2 comes out those expanded development resources will offset the resources needed to make higher spec games. But also we should remember that most of Nintendo's first party games don't use a hyper realistic art style so that will save a lot of dev time compared to many third party AAA's that go for the hyper realistic look. So that plays in the favor of continued high output for Nintendo as well.