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Glancing over this thread... yes the framing of ordinary citizens and working class as Nazis continues. Lockdowns have been the largest theft of wealth from the middle and working class in the history of this century exceeding the financial crisis 2008 by far. Basic civil rights are now privileges on top of that. The Patriot Act was pocket change compared to the new regulations and executive orders in place.

Another change of settled science just so habbened. The leading computer virologist in the world announced that "sadly" Covid itself, in particular the Omicron variant, "which is a type of vaccine" [natural immunity was a conspiracy just some months ago] has done a better job getting out and create immunity. (Reminder the vaxxes failed their phase III clinical trials because they raised all-cause mortality for healthy people under 70).

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COKTOE said:
sundin13 said:

I reciprocate your sighs.

First of all, I just want to say that the ableist slurs are entirely unnecessary. 

Beyond that, I find it funny that you complain about me being unable to defend my position on its merits while simultaneously ignoring virtually everything I said (yet still trying to stuff as many words into my mouth as you can fit). 

I very much agree that Trudeau's statement is fairly reductive and unhelpful, however, in the strictest sense of the word, it is accurate. To say someone is standing with Nazi's is not saying that they are Nazis. That is your own words and biases interpreting Trudeau objectively incorrectly.

In my opinion, there is very much a legitimate conversation to be had regarding the close ties between the convoy and the extremist actions, views and groups. There should be a point in which the whole thing becomes tainted, and refusing to even have that conversation, in my opinion, enables extremism. 

"there is very much a legitimate conversation to be had regarding the close ties between the convoy and the extremist actions." What would, within the confines of what has been a completely peaceful protest, also known as objective reality, be the ties that you consider to be most closely associated to extremist actions?

In regards to Extremist actions, I am referring to the hundreds of reports of hate crimes that have come in to the Ottawa Police as well as the general harassment and intimidation which seems to be fairly common within the convoy.



COKTOE said:

I think I kinda love you. It's not like when I fell in love with onionberry, and wished every morning that I could wake up with her avatar on the pillow next to me. It's even more shallow than that. I love your brain. I can't even...as a life-long leftist, with how disgusting the left has become. The left now, in totality, is worse than the post 9/11 right. An AMAZING, and well earned distinction. I was politically homeless for a good while, but have now started seeing more value in right wing talking points. And considering the vile things the right has been tied to in my lifetime, it's a transition that makes me go cross-eyed every time I take a moment to dwell on it. I guess I'm now, gun to my head, center-right, if an alien race demanded I define my leanings on threat of global destruction. Of course, there's much more to this than left v right, and I'm not looking at right wing politicians as saviors. Right wing voices have consistently been more sane than their left counterpoints for a a while now, but those in power, who claim to represent either side, are almost completely untrustworthy.

- Tyron Bibbons, ESQ

Goodbye forever until I log in again.

*snickers*

Um, thanks.

Ain't seen ya in a while, but always enjoy getting to hear from you! Glad you found something thoughtful and inspiring in my post.

I don't really and truly know what the hell I am politically these days. The American right subscribes broadly to meritocracy theory and the American left to critical race theory and I just don't buy into either, so yeah. Guess I'm just me really. And I know what you mean when you say you feel politically homeless. So do I.

I consider it kind of pathetic that Fox News is now my favorite of the cable news channels because they're not exactly that honest. But they're often more honest and frankly interesting anymore than the wannabe state media that is the other options. Fun fact: Back when Trump was president, I like MSNBC the best. Guess part of me just finds the sharpest critiques of those in power to be the most compelling.



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I consider this the ultimate concession on the issue Stateside: The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's (DCCC's for short) internal analysis recommends that Democratic Congressional candidates drop their support for mask requirements, among other things. That is the voice of institutional Democratic Party itself now saying this.

Matter-of-factly, I'd say the DCCC's assessment of the current political situation in this country as a whole strikes me as overall realistic and largely correct concerning the broad perception (which includes mine) that the Democrats today are preachy, judgmental, condescending assholes who need to get serious about law enforcement in general, both in our cities and on our southern border, and stop calling everyone concerned about those things (which is the vast majority of the population) racist bigots. But I also agree with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's contention referenced in the same linked article above that the party's failure to enact crucial economic campaign promises like the general contents of the Build Back Better Act are also a major issue that serves to help persuade the public that not only do the Democrats judge them, but also that, at the same time, they're not serious about offering that public the kind of help and support that they need amidst a rapidly rising cost of living and the erosion of all remaining Covid relief measures. I would bet anything that it says as much to about anyone else as it does to me that Covid relief has been allowed to expire sooner than Covid restrictions. That mentality needs to be put into full reverse immediately if the Democrats are to have any hope of salvaging their standing in the midterms: the party needs to project and prioritize empathy and aid over condemnation and lifestyle control.

(I stress the ongoing need to actually pass legislation because, well, you can't run on help you ain't provided. You're not going to convince people that the economy is great if their bank accounts are shrinking. That's just a fact. The Democrats shouldn't even attempt gaslighting the public about how great their economic conditions supposedly are, lest it simply reveal how out of touch they truly are. Rather, they need to tangibly act to improve those conditions in order to have an argument.)

Anyway, getting back to the main takeaway for our purposes here, the Democratic Party itself, the institution, is now coming out against indefinite compulsory masking.



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Jaicee said:

I consider this the ultimate concession on the issue Stateside: The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee's (DCCC's for short) internal analysis recommends that Democratic Congressional candidates drop their support for mask requirements, among other things. That is the voice of institutional Democratic Party itself now saying this.

Matter-of-factly, I'd say the DCCC's assessment of the current political situation in this country as a whole strikes me as overall realistic and largely correct concerning the broad perception (which includes mine) that the Democrats today are preachy, judgmental, condescending assholes who need to get serious about law enforcement in general, both in our cities and on our southern border, and stop calling everyone concerned about those things (which is the vast majority of the population) racist bigots. But I also agree with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's contention referenced in the same linked article above that the party's failure to enact crucial economic campaign promises like the general contents of the Build Back Better Act are also a major issue that serves to help persuade the public that not only do the Democrats judge them, but also that, at the same time, they're not serious about offering that public the kind of help and support that they need amidst a rapidly rising cost of living and the erosion of all remaining Covid relief measures. I would bet anything that it says as much to about anyone else as it does to me that Covid relief has been allowed to expire sooner than Covid restrictions. That mentality needs to be put into full reverse immediately if the Democrats are to have any hope of salvaging their standing in the midterms: the party needs to project and prioritize empathy and aid over condemnation and lifestyle control.

(I stress the ongoing need to actually pass legislation because, well, you can't run on help you ain't provided. You're not going to convince people that the economy is great if their bank accounts are shrinking. That's just a fact. The Democrats shouldn't even attempt gaslighting the public about how great their economic conditions supposedly are, lest it simply reveal how out of touch they truly are. Rather, they need to tangibly act to improve those conditions in order to have an argument.)

Anyway, getting back to the main takeaway for our purposes here, the Democratic Party itself, the institution, is now coming out against indefinite compulsory masking.

So the DCC want to drop mask support because it plays out better politically instead of scientific reasons.  I find this line of reasoning from you actually pretty bad.  Because of the inconvenience of wearing a mask, you are more concerned about lifting restrictions not because our heath systems, public and expert opinion that its now the time but instead because it plays better politically.



Machiavellian said:

So the DCC want to drop mask support because it plays out better politically instead of scientific reasons.  I find this line of reasoning from you actually pretty bad.  Because of the inconvenience of wearing a mask, you are more concerned about lifting restrictions not because our heath systems, public and expert opinion that its now the time but instead because it plays better politically.

As I've stated before here, the objective Covid situation is very much under control; the only question is when our political leaders would/will decide to acknowledge as much and relinquish the controls they'd imposed. The Covid situation itself indeed gets more under control every day now. According to the CDC, we're now averaging 75,000 new corona cases nationwide per day, which, as you can see in their chart, is the lowest we've seen since November 9th, i.e. well before the omicron surge and before the winter and also a drop of more than 90% from the peak average of 807,000 new cases per day set back on January 15th.  At this point, substantially more Americans are recovering from Covid daily than are being infected. Most of the new, softened masking rules that U.S. states have announced lately go into effect on March 1st, by which point we'll be in an even better situation yet, on top of which March will mark the onset of spring and, with it, warmer weather that will see people spending more time outdoors, thus serving to mitigate the spread further.

One's insistence that Covid restrictions be continued at this point isn't about following the science so much as it's about a phobic obsession with the idea of exorcising every single virus case there is, which just isn't realistic.

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Jaicee said:
Machiavellian said:

So the DCC want to drop mask support because it plays out better politically instead of scientific reasons.  I find this line of reasoning from you actually pretty bad.  Because of the inconvenience of wearing a mask, you are more concerned about lifting restrictions not because our heath systems, public and expert opinion that its now the time but instead because it plays better politically.

As I've stated before here, the objective Covid situation is very much under control; the only question is when our political leaders would/will decide to acknowledge as much and relinquish the controls they'd imposed. The Covid situation itself indeed gets more under control every day now. According to the CDC, we're now averaging 75,000 new corona cases nationwide per day, which, as you can see in their chart, is the lowest we've seen since November 9th, i.e. well before the omicron surge and before the winter and also a drop of more than 90% from the peak average of 807,000 new cases per day set back on January 15th.  At this point, substantially more Americans are recovering from Covid daily than are being infected. Most of the new, softened masking rules that U.S. states have announced lately go into effect on March 1st, by which point we'll be in an even better situation yet, on top of which March will mark the onset of spring and, with it, warmer weather that will see people spending more time outdoors, thus serving to mitigate the spread further.

One's insistence that Covid restrictions be continued at this point isn't about following the science so much as it's about a phobic obsession with the idea of exorcising every single virus case there is, which just isn't realistic.

You did not get my point.  From the DCC its clearly stated in that link that they are making their decisions not because of the CDC or anything else but instead they are making their decisions because it play better politically.  If you wanted to use the CDC as the source for mask restrictions to be lifted then that would have been a better justification for your point then to use the DCC.  I have no problem with the lifting of any restrictions as long as we have did the work to make sure the proper time.  If using political talking points as the reason well that does not sit as well because that's how we got here in the first place.  



sundin13 said:
COKTOE said:

"there is very much a legitimate conversation to be had regarding the close ties between the convoy and the extremist actions." What would, within the confines of what has been a completely peaceful protest, also known as objective reality, be the ties that you consider to be most closely associated to extremist actions?

In regards to Extremist actions, I am referring to the hundreds of reports of hate crimes that have come in to the Ottawa Police as well as the general harassment and intimidation which seems to be fairly common within the convoy.

"Hundreds of reports of hate crimes". "The general harassment and intimidation which seems to be fairly common within the convoy." Oh my goodness. Are you at all aware of how all of this has unfolded, and the information that has come out from this since you made this post? You didn't know jack about what was happening at the time. No offense. I want to know if you still believe this shit.

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COKTOE said:
sundin13 said:

In regards to Extremist actions, I am referring to the hundreds of reports of hate crimes that have come in to the Ottawa Police as well as the general harassment and intimidation which seems to be fairly common within the convoy.

"Hundreds of reports of hate crimes". "The general harassment and intimidation which seems to be fairly common within the convoy." Oh my goodness. Are you at all aware of how all of this has unfolded, and the information that has come out from this since you made this post? You didn't know jack about what was happening at the time. No offense. I want to know if you still believe this shit.

I have not particularly kept up with the story over the last several months, however, I have been given no specific reason to assume that my previous statements included false information.