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Forums - Sales - Famitsu sales: Week 3, 2022 - (10th Jan - 16th Jan)

Kneetos said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

The fact that some people are still talking about a Switch cliff, in a Famitsu thread, is actually pretty hilarious at this point.  Folks, the Switch cliff is never coming. That is doubly true in Japan.  Expect gradual YoY hardware drops every year until they stop production.  What other system are actual gamers going to buy going forward?  There are several weeks where 30/30 games on the Famitsu charts are on the Switch.  Not only does Switch get the best selling first party games.  It also gets the best selling third party games. If a gamer wants to play anything in Japan, then they are going to need to buy a Switch. 

Seriously, what other system are actual gamers going to buy?  When Playstation does have charting software, it is usually PS4.  Let's see how Switch and PS4 hardware sold this week:

NSW 94,523
PS4  17

Nope, I don't think people will be buying PS4's in the coming years.  What about the PS5 though?  Well, software sales on PS5 are more pathetic than for any Sony or Nintendo system, ever.  When a Japanese gamer actually wants to play a game, it's going to be on Switch.  That is true this year, and it's going to be true every year until Switch 2 releases.  Here, let me really spell it out for you:

M-O-N-O-P-O-L-Y

There's only one real choice for a video game system in Japan.  That's why it's silly to think that Switch is going to fall off a cliff.  What else are they going to buy?

While I agree with your post, it's not entirely true.

Yes there is no cliff, just the downwards slope, I believe the switch will sell more in japan  2022 then the ps5 will sell lifetime in japan by the end of 2022, there are still a lot of games that are coming to playstation that usually do well

The atelier games, almost everything by Squeenix, the trials of cold steel and ys games retain a timed exclusivity, senran kagura and the nepu games, I bet my butt that dragon quest 12 will be on playstaion and sell better due to being timed exclusive and let's not forget about elden ring and future monster hunter games, resi evil, devil may cry and visual novels do quite well.

Like I kept telling the Sony fans who were hellbent on spreading the rumour that the switch was a failed console that will sell less then the wii u. Let's not count Sony out juuuuuust yet

Why would you bet your butt on something that is obviously false?  You need to realize the main decision maker behind DQ12 is Yuji Horii and not a Square Enix executive.  Yugi Horii is not going to throw a lot of money away on Playstation, when Switch is obviously the only viable platform in Japan.  He's always put DQ on the most popular platform in Japan.  Also, Sony has no interest in moneyhatting DQ.  They will moneyhat Final Fantasy over and over, but they have no interest in throwing extra money at DQ.  On the other hand Nintendo has been trying to make DQ successful outside of Japan since the very first game.  If any platform gets exclusivity or timed exclusivity it will be Switch, but there is also a decent chance the game will be day 1 multiplat.



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siebensus4 said:

Splatoon 2 alone has the chance to push 2022 sales above 2021 in Japan, if it will be released in spring/summer.

If we really see a new Mario Kart for Switch this or next year, I can see Switch outselling PS2/DS.

Agree about MK9, simply because if they actually do release another MK for the Switch I think that'd be a pretty clear signal that a successor system isn't coming out until 2025 at the earliest. They're not gonna release a game in their ultimate evergreen series with only a year or two left in the system's life. If they plan on keeping the Switch going until Spring or Holiday 2025 it would make sense to just put out MK9 on Switch soon (ideally this year) instead of waiting for the successor's launch in 3+ years. And if Switch stays Nintendo's primary system until 2025 I think it has a very good chance to pass PS2.



RolStoppable said:

The kind of saturation we are seeing for Switch in Japan is merely saturation at the current price points which are still the same ones as at launch of each SKU. This is a trajectory that does not necessitate the launch of a successor before holidays 2024. Real saturation has occured when everything that could be done has been done and 1m+ annual sales in Japan become unattainable. We aren't remotely close to that.

Yup exactly. The Switch, about to hit 5 years in, and literally is still at launch prices. That is crazy. And it is still having huge hardware sales in Japan. If they want to keep the Switch going into 2025 or even 2026 they have tons of room to implement price cuts in the coming years, hell they could even make a Lite OLED in 2023 if they wanted and sell it for $200, they can also release a bunch new colors for those people who like to blow money buying a new version of the same system they already have haha. They also can release a second 3D Mario, a first 2D Mario, Pokemon gen 9, along with a second Pokemon Legends or Pokemon Let's Go, MK9, another Ring Fit, another Mario Party, and a plethora of other series Nintendo fans want, not to mention DQ12 would no doubt be out by then and it would be a huge hit in Japan on the Switch.

Japan sales will probably be close to 5 million this year, so it's not like it's close to saturated, it's just past its peak is all.



Slownenberg said:
siebensus4 said:

Splatoon 2 alone has the chance to push 2022 sales above 2021 in Japan, if it will be released in spring/summer.

If we really see a new Mario Kart for Switch this or next year, I can see Switch outselling PS2/DS.

Agree about MK9, simply because if they actually do release another MK for the Switch I think that'd be a pretty clear signal that a successor system isn't coming out until 2025 at the earliest. They're not gonna release a game in their ultimate evergreen series with only a year or two left in the system's life. If they plan on keeping the Switch going until Spring or Holiday 2025 it would make sense to just put out MK9 on Switch soon (ideally this year) instead of waiting for the successor's launch in 3+ years. And if Switch stays Nintendo's primary system until 2025 I think it has a very good chance to pass PS2.

I disagree.

They can easily double dip consumers with MK9 on Switch and Switch 2. MK8 double dipped and it was 3 years apart. Breath of the Wild double dipped of course with the same day launch. So whether it be within a year or 2 of launch, I think they would release it for both systems.



Chrkeller said:
siebensus4 said:

Splatoon 2 alone has the chance to push 2022 sales above 2021 in Japan, if it will be released in spring/summer.

If we really see a new Mario Kart for Switch this or next year, I can see Switch outselling PS2/DS.

Perhaps.  I feel like those who interested in those games likely already have a switch.  Hopefully I'm wrong.  More sales the better. 

This is de ja vu. I feel like I’ve seen people said this since 2017. First, it was Zelda, then it was Smash then Pokémon then Animal Crossing.

X game already has an audience on switch lmao. But the truth is new people are born every day. People upgrade to new hardware with a new game. The Oled just came out. 

Splatoon 3 is going to be so huge y’all have no idea.



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Slownenberg said:
Kneetos said:

Yes there is no cliff, just the downwards slope, I believe the switch will sell more in japan  2022 then the ps5 will sell lifetime in japan by the end of 2022, there are still a lot of games that are coming to playstation that usually do well

I bet my butt that dragon quest 12 will be on playstaion and sell better due to being timed exclusive

2022 sales:

That's such a weird prediction to make. Switch 2022 Japan sales have a good chance of doubling PS5 lifetime thru 2022 Japan sales. To predict it will merely outsell it is so a weird thing to say. Like of course it will, ytd Switch sales will pass PS5 lifetime to date sales probably around July, and destroy it over the holidays. This is about as bold a prediction as saying PS5 2022 Japan sales will surpass XBSeries lifetime to date sales by end of the year lol

DQ12:

It would be very bizarre if it was a timed exclusive for playstation. In Japan, the game would obviously get most of its sales from Switch. Japan software sales of PS4 are dead and software sales on PS5 after over a year have never gotten of life support. Switch sweeps like top 30 like it's a matter of routine these days. In other areas of the world maybe a PS4/PS5 sales combo would get more sales but overall globally it might be an even split. It'd make no sense to make it a timed exclusive, either for Switch or Playstation. 

Timed wouldn't make any sense, but full exclusive to Switch will. It's much cheaper to develop a game for the Switch than for the PS5 if it's a big franchise. They can even port it to pc, like they did with Monster Hunter Rise. This sounds like a more profitable approach. It's not only about revenue generated by a game, but also about the cost of a game. At this moment the costs of making a full fledged PS5 Xbox/PC version aside the Switch version might be to expensive. On PC the game will sell well regardless and Switch will do amazing as well.

PS5 will probably go on to sell a million units a year or less. Whilst Switch still has some 3 to 4 million years in Japan to look forward too. They can always make an OLED lite for Japan.



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Qwark said:
Slownenberg said:

2022 sales:

That's such a weird prediction to make. Switch 2022 Japan sales have a good chance of doubling PS5 lifetime thru 2022 Japan sales. To predict it will merely outsell it is so a weird thing to say. Like of course it will, ytd Switch sales will pass PS5 lifetime to date sales probably around July, and destroy it over the holidays. This is about as bold a prediction as saying PS5 2022 Japan sales will surpass XBSeries lifetime to date sales by end of the year lol

DQ12:

It would be very bizarre if it was a timed exclusive for playstation. In Japan, the game would obviously get most of its sales from Switch. Japan software sales of PS4 are dead and software sales on PS5 after over a year have never gotten of life support. Switch sweeps like top 30 like it's a matter of routine these days. In other areas of the world maybe a PS4/PS5 sales combo would get more sales but overall globally it might be an even split. It'd make no sense to make it a timed exclusive, either for Switch or Playstation. 

Timed wouldn't make any sense, but full exclusive to Switch will. It's much cheaper to develop a game for the Switch than for the PS5 if it's a big franchise. They can even port it to pc, like they did with Monster Hunter Rise. This sounds like a more profitable approach. It's not only about revenue generated by a game, but also about the cost of a game. At this moment the costs of making a full fledged PS5 Xbox/PC version aside the Switch version might be to expensive. On PC the game will sell well regardless and Switch will do amazing as well.

PS5 will probably go on to sell a million units a year or less. Whilst Switch still has some 3 to 4 million years in Japan to look forward too. They can always make an OLED lite for Japan.

I mean it is possible. I just looked up DQ11 sales numbers and I didn't realize that Japan alone accounts for nearly 2/3rd of its sales. I figured sales in the west were a good bit higher than they are. I was gonna say DQ12 would get plenty of sales in the west from playstation but apparently that's now really the case. DQ11 has sold over 2 million copies in the west but that's across multiple systems. So a Switch exclusive certainly isn't out of the question as obviously Switch would account for the vast majority of sales for DQ12. But I bet a PS5 version would sell enough globally to warrant a port on those systems. Even if a PS5 version would only account for a million sales globally I'm guessing that warrant a port. I assume the game will be made on the Switch and ported to the ps5 with maybe some graphical upgrades, though I think they would release at the same time.



Qwark said:

Timed wouldn't make any sense, but full exclusive to Switch will. It's much cheaper to develop a game for the Switch than for the PS5 if it's a big franchise. They can even port it to pc, like they did with Monster Hunter Rise. This sounds like a more profitable approach. It's not only about revenue generated by a game, but also about the cost of a game. At this moment the costs of making a full fledged PS5 Xbox/PC version aside the Switch version might be to expensive. On PC the game will sell well regardless and Switch will do amazing as well.

PS5 will probably go on to sell a million units a year or less. Whilst Switch still has some 3 to 4 million years in Japan to look forward too. They can always make an OLED lite for Japan.

Just disclaimer, it's not more cheaper to develop to Switch. Cost development depends heavily on workforce, and games with expansive open worlds and high graphical fidelity will indeed be more costly, but you can make smaller budget games for PS5 just like most JP devs used to do on PS4. If anything, games are more costly to develop for Switch, as you need to spend more time (i.e. money) to optimize them to run in a less capable hardware, while on PS5 you can build almost anything and knows it will run fine and with 60 FPS 

That's said I totally think D12 will NOT be one of those games. From what I've saw they want DQ to finally breakthrough in West (look at the first promotional teaser, they are going for a bit more dark cinematography this time):

They also said this game is to define the next 10 years in future of the franchise so they are maybe not that concerned with financial returns, but to invest to fully expand the brand. It will be developed using Unreal Engine 5, I'm expecting something like Kingdom Hearts 3 level of graphical quality, but targeting PS5/Series specs. Enix probably saw DQ11 opened the doors and the next step if to invest on it massively like Capcom did with Monster Hunter, is so Multiplat (PS4/5, Xbox and Switch 2) is the best route for DQ. As this game is not likely to be released before 2024 maybe it can even be a launch title for Switch 2



IcaroRibeiro said:
Qwark said:

Timed wouldn't make any sense, but full exclusive to Switch will. It's much cheaper to develop a game for the Switch than for the PS5 if it's a big franchise. They can even port it to pc, like they did with Monster Hunter Rise. This sounds like a more profitable approach. It's not only about revenue generated by a game, but also about the cost of a game. At this moment the costs of making a full fledged PS5 Xbox/PC version aside the Switch version might be to expensive. On PC the game will sell well regardless and Switch will do amazing as well.

PS5 will probably go on to sell a million units a year or less. Whilst Switch still has some 3 to 4 million years in Japan to look forward too. They can always make an OLED lite for Japan.

Just disclaimer, it's not more cheaper to develop to Switch. Cost development depends heavily on workforce, and games with expansive open worlds and high graphical fidelity will indeed be more costly, but you can make smaller budget games for PS5 just like most JP devs used to do on PS4. If anything, games are more costly to develop for Switch, as you need to spend more time (i.e. money) to optimize them to run in a less capable hardware, while on PS5 you can build almost anything and knows it will run fine and with 60 FPS 

That's said I totally think D12 will NOT be one of those games. From what I've saw they want DQ to finally breakthrough in West (look at the first promotional teaser, they are going for a bit more dark cinematography this time):

They also said this game is to define the next 10 years in future of the franchise so they are maybe not that concerned with financial returns, but to invest to fully expand the brand. It will be developed using Unreal Engine 5, I'm expecting something like Kingdom Hearts 3 level of graphical quality, but targeting PS5/Series specs. Enix probably saw DQ11 opened the doors and the next step if to invest on it massively like Capcom did with Monster Hunter, is so Multiplat (PS4/5, Xbox and Switch 2) is the best route for DQ. As this game is not likely to be released before 2024 maybe it can even be a launch title for Switch 2

If a game is developed from the ground up for the Switch it doesn't take more time to optimize.



Kakadu18 said:

If a game is developed from the ground up for the Switch it doesn't take more time to optimize.

It does. Every piece of software takes some time to be optimized, mainly due to poor programming practices/strategies. However if you are running a not very demanding software in a platform where resources like memory and CPU are abundant you might very well skip most of performances tests because your software will run as expected. If resources are more limited the software is more likely to suffer few (or many) performance dips