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Azzanation said:
EricHiggin said:

If XB1 took the same kind of step that PS3 took, beyond gaming, then ya, PS4 and now PS5 being far closer to PC's in their capability wouldn't be out of the question by any means. 

Maybe SNY would've stopped at media and left PC's alone, but that seems kinda unlikely. Where would they have grown from that point? MS got into console, entertainment, digital online (bundle) services, so why wouldn't SNY had tried to offer what PC OS and software could?

I believe a lot of people are misunderstanding whats being said here. Its not that if Playstation was going to end up overtaking PCs, that wasn't the issue. The issue was towards the support leaving windows gaming which was a massive selling point for the OS. When Sega left, no console was pushing Windows and Direct X. This was a problem since Microsoft were worried that majority of 3rd party companies weren't supporting Direct X which is a staple of Windows. MS needed a console to help push DX, Sega were doing it and when Sega left, MS had to step in themselves and push it. The Xbox brand was meant to help support DX and push developers to use MS tools. That's why they named it XBOX, short for Direct XBOX.

That's not what the documentary says.

If that were the case, going after SNY would have been a no brainer for MS. It wasn't until Windows in general may be under threat, which was simply a future thought experiment, that MS took it more seriously. Even then they weren't entirely sold on it.

Which makes sense because once SNY steps on your turf, what are the odds they'll only remain in this fraction of it?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

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Azzanation said:
SKMBlake said:

I watched the first 2 episodes, I am in the middle of the third one and...

This is exactly why I don't enjoy the "Xbox brand":
- the main target was to respond to Sony's claim about the PS2 replacing PC in living rooms
- then it became all about beating Sony in their own field
- and then it was about entering in the lucrative gaming business to make money out of it, with unlimited funds from the richest company in the world

And yes, we heard about Samus the passionnate nerd who build up a prototype that could boot Windows in 3 seconds, but yeah, overall they made obvious why the Xbox brand isn't loved as much as Nintendo.

Actually MS was always interested in entering the console market, they were in it from the very start. Infact Sony even made the hardware for MS, same with Toshiba, Panasonic etc. 

MS created a console called the MS-X which was a cartridge based PC and the first console to house Metal Gear (The NES game) and offered Komani and Sega games.

Launched in 21/10/1983 and Discontinued in 1993

A good watch below

So technically MS is one of the origin companies in the console space.

And Dreamcast used Windows CE with DX6. MS wasin talks with SEGA during the Saturn era about some sort of support for it as well. MS wanted in for sometime.



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I’m definitely going to watch this. Looking amazing.

It’s really funny how MS thought Sony was the rival for personal computing dominance when in fact, Sony is still a media format company. 20 years later, does anyone use PS for computer stuff? Meanwhile, Apple finally took back the personal computing space right in your pocket.



I’m always hesitant to quibble about each company’s motivations for getting into the industry, because ultimately these are all market based capitalist enterprises that from the very beginning had multi national profit making ambitions. One having more “pure” intentions than the other just seems after the fact rationalizations from fans.

Ultimately I am glad Xbox entered the arena. They were batter able to withstand hardship than Sega, and their experience in the PC space brought a unique set of hardware and software that previously either wasn’t there or was under developed.



EricHiggin said:

That's not what the documentary says.

If that were the case, going after SNY would have been a no brainer for MS. It wasn't until Windows in general may be under threat, which was simply a future thought experiment, that MS took it more seriously. Even then they weren't entirely sold on it.

Which makes sense because once SNY steps on your turf, what are the odds they'll only remain in this fraction of it?

I haven't seen the documentary, however it wasn't just Sony that pushed MS into the Console market. They were in it way before Sony and even Sega. They were pushed out by the ever popular Commadore 64 which dominated the market at the time. MS always wanted to stay in the market and the moment Sega dropped out, they saw their prime opportunity. Sega was helping drive MS software and without Sega, no one was doing it in the console industry. The Xbox was created in house so they don't have to rely on outsourcing their software. This explains why MS wanted to buy Nintendo etc. The Xbox named after Direct X was Microsoft's return to the industry.



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SegaHeart said:

Microsoft competed with Commodore 64? does that mean they are OG's on console gaming? wait commodore 64 wasn't that before the NES in america? Nintendo first console? , also Sega created their first console Sg - 1000 in july 15 1983 and MSX came in october 1983 Microsoft first console while famicom was 1983 aswell , 1983 I wasn't even born yet.

SegaHeart said:

What the ? Hideo kojima first game ever Metal gear solid was first created on Microsoft first console MSX2 in 1987 I didn't know that? I have many questions? Why did Microsoft abadonned their MSX consoles? Also Why is Microsoft ignoring the MSX exsistance? and say Xbox was their first console ? MSX sold 7 million in japan alone it outsold N64 in Japan and xbox 360 and Xbox original and Xbox One combined  all in japan? Maybe Microsoft should call the Xbox in japan MSX3?

Gaming is more than just console gaming.

C64 wasn't a home console but a home computer. MSX wasn't a home console but a home computer architecture.

There were MSX-computers from many different manufacurers, including Sony. Just like there were and are many PCs from different manufacturers running MS-DOS or Windows.

So Microsoft ain't ignoring the MSX existence by saying that Xbox was their first console.

Microsoft has developed and published a lot of games before they entered console space, f. e.

  • Microsoft Adventure (1979)
  • Olympic Decathlon (1980)
  • Microsoft Flight Simulator series (since 1982)
  • Solitaire (1990)
  • Minesweeper (1992)
  • Microsoft Golf / Links series (since 1992)
  • Age of Empires series (since 1997)
  • Microsoft Pinball Arcade (1998)
  • Midtown Madness (1999)
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Azzanation said:
EricHiggin said:

That's not what the documentary says.

If that were the case, going after SNY would have been a no brainer for MS. It wasn't until Windows in general may be under threat, which was simply a future thought experiment, that MS took it more seriously. Even then they weren't entirely sold on it.

Which makes sense because once SNY steps on your turf, what are the odds they'll only remain in this fraction of it?

I haven't seen the documentary, however it wasn't just Sony that pushed MS into the Console market. They were in it way before Sony and even Sega. They were pushed out by the ever popular Commadore 64 which dominated the market at the time. MS always wanted to stay in the market and the moment Sega dropped out, they saw their prime opportunity. Sega was helping drive MS software and without Sega, no one was doing it in the console industry. The Xbox was created in house so they don't have to rely on outsourcing their software. This explains why MS wanted to buy Nintendo etc. The Xbox named after Direct X was Microsoft's return to the industry.

Yes they supplied software, but from a hardware standpoint it was Bills fear of the one machine to rule them an all in every home that opened the door but those at MS at the time advocating for MS owned hardware Xbox, not to dissimilar to those early advocates at Sony would have helped it gain impetus.

We need to remember this was a scenario that held sway among many in the tech industry at that time where smart devices were still a fair way from being realised.

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SegaHeart said:

What the ? Hideo kojima first game ever Metal gear solid was first created on Microsoft first console MSX2 in 1987 I didn't know that? I have many questions? Why did Microsoft abadonned their MSX consoles? Also Why is Microsoft ignoring the MSX exsistance? and say Xbox was their first console ? MSX sold 7 million in japan alone it outsold N64 in Japan and xbox 360 and Xbox original and Xbox One combined  all in japan? Maybe Microsoft should call the Xbox in japan MSX3?

Wasn't his first game Snatcher? Metal Gear Solid is PS1. Metal Gear is MSX.

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Leynos said:
SegaHeart said:

What the ? Hideo kojima first game ever Metal gear solid was first created on Microsoft first console MSX2 in 1987 I didn't know that? I have many questions? Why did Microsoft abadonned their MSX consoles? Also Why is Microsoft ignoring the MSX exsistance? and say Xbox was their first console ? MSX sold 7 million in japan alone it outsold N64 in Japan and xbox 360 and Xbox original and Xbox One combined  all in japan? Maybe Microsoft should call the Xbox in japan MSX3?

Wasn't his first game Snatcher? Metal Gear Solid is PS1. Metal Gear is MSX.

Pretty sure he worked on  Metal Gear first. The "good" version for the MSX. Unfortunately, the NES got a shitty port. 



d21lewis said:

A few things I remember not agreeing with (I'm paraphrasing):

-"The Xbox 360 won the generation": Maybe in the United States but worldwide? Nah.

-Consoles couldn't have good first person shooters before Halo? Medal of Honor, Goldeneye, Quake II and III (the latter's Dreamcast version even had cross play with the PC!)

-Sony actually brought a hard drive, headset, online, etc to market before Xbox. Xbox did it best but Sony still did it first.

There are a few more examples but the more time passes, the more I forget.

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I would like to start by apologising in advance for the lack of past success in that endeavour, but in my defence he likes to post while on the toilet and  that means we are lacking in the amount of PPE needed, but back to the point of my post senility is the helpful word he couldn't remember I hope that gave you insight into your forgetfulness and it helps you.

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