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Dulfite said:

Hopefully y'all get some games announced coming out sooner than 2-3 years from now to look forward to in the near future. I don't know how y'all stand the waits after things get announced so far out, I would go crazy if it were me lol.

That's an interesting take considering in another recent thread you shared how happy you were to wait years for certain games...

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328298



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Signalstar said:
Dulfite said:

Hopefully y'all get some games announced coming out sooner than 2-3 years from now to look forward to in the near future. I don't know how y'all stand the waits after things get announced so far out, I would go crazy if it were me lol.

That's an interesting take considering in another recent thread you shared how happy you were to wait years for certain games...

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328298

Actually, what I posted there is completely in line with what I've said here. In that thread I was happy that a port of GoW was announced as coming to PC. The announcement for that port was roughly 3 months before release, which is entirely within my parameter of "announce and release the game within 9 months."

I did make a reference towards GoW: Rags coming in 2024, but that's just my hope and prediction. If Sony announced Rags would come in 2023 or 2024 I would likewise say that is entirely too early to announce it, but they didn't announce that so I have no issues on that game. I don't mind it when people build up expectations for games themselves only to be disappointed by lack of announcements/release dates for new games, but I do mind it when developers build up expectations by announcing games entirely too early, which is my point here.



Dulfite said:
Zippy6 said:

I get your point that yes Nintendo do launch several games within 9 months of announcement, however think about what those games are. They are not major blockbuster titles with huge budgets and long development times. Titles like Smash Bros and BOTW are announced long in advance just like the other companies.

Games like Horizon and Breath of the Wild will never be announced that close to release. There are exceptions, Super Mario Odyssey, Miles Morales, Demon's Souls. But for games that take a long time to develop it's expected that the time between announcement and release is high for all companies.

So the only reason the announcement schedule seems different is that Nintendo continues to create titles of varying budget and time investment such as your Mario Golf, Mario Tennis, Pokemon Snap, while sony invests almost entirely in games that take a lot of money and a long time to make.

I'm not disputing that Sony spends a lot more money on game development than Nintendo. I'm disputing why they (and many other companies, including third party ones that release on Nintendo devices) feel they have to market games years before they release. If they announced Spiderman 3 and released it in two months, it would still sell tens of millions of copies. Same thing with Final Fantasy 7. You don't need 2-5 years of marketing, especially if you anticipate delays. Announced it 9 months (or less) out. In the meantime, just tell people you are working on something. Then no one gets prematurely hyped up and disappointed by how long it takes.

To make you invest on buying the HW.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Dulfite said:

I'm not disputing that Sony spends a lot more money on game development than Nintendo. I'm disputing why they (and many other companies, including third party ones that release on Nintendo devices) feel they have to market games years before they release. If they announced Spiderman 3 and released it in two months, it would still sell tens of millions of copies. Same thing with Final Fantasy 7. You don't need 2-5 years of marketing, especially if you anticipate delays. Announced it 9 months (or less) out. In the meantime, just tell people you are working on something. Then no one gets prematurely hyped up and disappointed by how long it takes.

To make you invest on buying the HW.

Then why does Nintendo not fail since they tend to announce things within 9ish months of release? Are we Nintendo buyers just that different from the rest of the industry?

Anyway, didn't mean for this to become a thing. Hopefully the State of Play has lots of fun things in it for the near future!

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PotentHerbs said:

I hope we get updates on Hogwarts, FF16, Little Devil Inside, but I'll be setting myself up for disappointment lol.

I think Little Devil Inside will get a firm release date.



Dulfite said:
Signalstar said:

That's an interesting take considering in another recent thread you shared how happy you were to wait years for certain games...

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9328298

Actually, what I posted there is completely in line with what I've said here. In that thread I was happy that a port of GoW was announced as coming to PC. The announcement for that port was roughly 3 months before release, which is entirely within my parameter of "announce and release the game within 9 months."

I did make a reference towards GoW: Rags coming in 2024, but that's just my hope and prediction. If Sony announced Rags would come in 2023 or 2024 I would likewise say that is entirely too early to announce it, but they didn't announce that so I have no issues on that game. I don't mind it when people build up expectations for games themselves only to be disappointed by lack of announcements/release dates for new games, but I do mind it when developers build up expectations by announcing games entirely too early, which is my point here.

Whatever floats your boat. Hope you don't go too crazy waiting.

Also it has clearly been stated that this State of Play will focus on 3rd Party Titles. So if they take a few years to come out after announcement then Sony has no control over that just as you stated in your defense of Nintendo a few posts above. So whatever point your trying to make doesn't make sense.



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Signalstar said:
Dulfite said:

Actually, what I posted there is completely in line with what I've said here. In that thread I was happy that a port of GoW was announced as coming to PC. The announcement for that port was roughly 3 months before release, which is entirely within my parameter of "announce and release the game within 9 months."

I did make a reference towards GoW: Rags coming in 2024, but that's just my hope and prediction. If Sony announced Rags would come in 2023 or 2024 I would likewise say that is entirely too early to announce it, but they didn't announce that so I have no issues on that game. I don't mind it when people build up expectations for games themselves only to be disappointed by lack of announcements/release dates for new games, but I do mind it when developers build up expectations by announcing games entirely too early, which is my point here.

Whatever floats your boat. Hope you don't go too crazy waiting.

Also it has clearly been stated that this State of Play will focus on 3rd Party Titles. So if they take a few years to come out after announcement then Sony has no control over that just as you stated in your defense of Nintendo a few posts above. So whatever point your trying to make doesn't make sense.

That meme doesn't apply to this situation. I'm not saying I'm okay waiting for games on PC vs. PS. I don't expect ANY Sony games to come to PC. When they do, they are a pleasant surprise, so I don't have years of expectation or "waiting" built up. Prior to the other day, I had no expectation of GoW ever coming to PC, so when they announced that it was coming and within a few months, that was fantastic news for me. If they announced GoW was coming but not until January 2023, I'd be super annoyed. Don't announce it until it's 9 months or less from releasing on the platform you are announcing it for is what I'm saying I want.

As for the third party being the main focus of this one, I was not aware of that and yeah, none of that is Sony's fault. My view isn't against Sony, moreso against the entire industry outside of a few companies. I even mentioned FF 7 R earlier, which is a SE game, as a prime example of this widespread problem. It isn't even close to only Sony doing this.



Dulfite said:
DonFerrari said:

To make you invest on buying the HW.

Then why does Nintendo not fail since they tend to announce things within 9ish months of release? Are we Nintendo buyers just that different from the rest of the industry?

Anyway, didn't mean for this to become a thing. Hopefully the State of Play has lots of fun things in it for the near future!

Nintendo have failed plenty of times haven't them? And each company have a different strategy.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Dulfite said:
Signalstar said:

Whatever floats your boat. Hope you don't go too crazy waiting.

Also it has clearly been stated that this State of Play will focus on 3rd Party Titles. So if they take a few years to come out after announcement then Sony has no control over that just as you stated in your defense of Nintendo a few posts above. So whatever point your trying to make doesn't make sense.

That meme doesn't apply to this situation. I'm not saying I'm okay waiting for games on PC vs. PS. I don't expect ANY Sony games to come to PC. When they do, they are a pleasant surprise, so I don't have years of expectation or "waiting" built up. Prior to the other day, I had no expectation of GoW ever coming to PC, so when they announced that it was coming and within a few months, that was fantastic news for me. If they announced GoW was coming but not until January 2023, I'd be super annoyed. Don't announce it until it's 9 months or less from releasing on the platform you are announcing it for is what I'm saying I want.

As for the third party being the main focus of this one, I was not aware of that and yeah, none of that is Sony's fault. My view isn't against Sony, moreso against the entire industry outside of a few companies. I even mentioned FF 7 R earlier, which is a SE game, as a prime example of this widespread problem. It isn't even close to only Sony doing this.

It being for 3rd parties is on the opening post and title man, did you read the thread or come just to mock?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."