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CaptainExplosion said:
Agente42 said:

I played, in Japan. Interesting. But not applicable on a hybrid system focus on local co-op

I wasn't saying for the Switch successor, I was saying for an arcade game. Obviously a Switch version of what I described wouldn't work.

But it´s more difficult, you have some games, it´s not a trend neither a dominance of VR games on Arcades. It´s a niche inside arcade games. 



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victor83fernandes said:
mjk45 said:

I personally believe that outside factors like the impact of Mobile on the handheld sector lead to the Switch rather than the Switch being a result of continuing the innovation concerning the Wii U unless you mean innovation that lead to poor sales.

those changes to the mobile market meant that Nintendo were now faced with a declining handheld market along with weak Wii U sales and while they had the resources to ride out another console with Wii U sales numbers, the down turn in both meant that change had to happen, so a unified approach with the added synergies of having one product in terms of both hardware and software development was the way forward hence the hybrid switch.

Mobile has nothing to do with console sales, mobile is a totally different market.

The switch succeeded because its a 3ds and wiiU successor combined. 3ds + wiiU account for around 94 million sales, which makes sense.

WiiU was also impacted by its name as many people though it was a new controller for the wii, had it been named differently sales would have been much higher.

If the switch was not portable it would not sell even half.

We’re talking about human beings here, not chimpanzees :D

The whole “maybe people thought the console was a controller” thing isn’t based reality, but rather poorly thought out speculation propagated by people who want to avoid actual discussion of what happened during the generation as much as they want to ignore that most people thought the Wii U kind of sucked.

Just take a minute to think about it. In order for that to make any sense, you’d have to ignore your memories of the generation, convince yourself that it’s perfectly reasonable that few people actually saw Wii U consoles and games at retail locations, advertisements across the Internet, television, malls, in magazines, or any discussion of it across social media and websites like this. And that gamers would have just thought “I guess Nintendo is just taking this generation off to catch their breath after all the hype around the Wii.” It’s the equivalent of flat earthism.

If you choose to pay attention to reality, you’ll easily reasons why the Wii U failed. First, no killer app. Second, third party games were generally lacklustre - for example, EA released a full priced port Mass Effect 3 on its own for the Wii U while releasing a trilogy collection on other consoles. The Wii U’s marketing campaign basically pointed out how much it sucked. The one Gamepad per console “because Wii U’s about asymmetrical gameplay” sounded like the equivalent of “that’s not damage from bullets, they’re speed holes.” The demo Kiosks across retail locations put unremarkable launch window games and a sluggish interface into the hands of gamers across the globe - they only demonstrated how crappy the console was.

After a year, interest in the console dropped further because all those “AAA” ports flopped and new ones stopped coming. Nintendo fell into a cycle of promoting games that weren’t anywhere near launch… either because of bad marketing execs, or because there was simply too little of interest for them to market, so they started focusing on games 1, 2, even 3 years out.

The one feature that people were left to be excited about was the offscreen gameplay. Early adopters were quick to point out it didn’t really work because of the short range… Criticism of “Maybe this works for small Tokyo apartments, but the range isn’t even enough for me to play games while taking a shit.” Nintendo’s Switch’s marketing made a point to show a guy playing the Switch while on the can.

Yes, there were people questioning whether Wii U was Nintendo’s next gen console, but people weren’t debating whether it was a console or “just a controller” it was whether or not it was a stop-gap console.



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Paperboy_J said:

Didn't read all the comments here, so if someone already said this I apologize, but...

I think they're gonna come out with a "powerful" home console that only plays on your TV (I put that in quotes because I still think such a thing is subjective), and the Switch is gonna become their new "handheld" so to speak, which they will continue to upgrade in small ways, but nothing major.

Also, Switch games will be playable on the new console, but not vice versa.

I don't think they'll do such a thing. Handheld platforms have been more successful for Nintendo in terms of hardware and software sold.

It wouldn't make sense to release a home console with games the Switch doesn't have, while still making a Switch. Nintendo would have to put a serious investment into consoles to ever catch up to Sony and Microsoft. And if they have a home console separate from the Switch that can't even compete with an PS5 and Xbox Series X (and beyond, depending on the timing) in specs, then there's little point. 

I don't think selling a Nintendo home console around the power level of a Xbox Series S has much appeal.



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

Yeah there is simply no good reason for Nintendo to go back to a dedicated home console now, the hybrid concept is just so much more successful and doesn't divide their limited development resources.

I could them MAYBE make a reverse Lite/Vita Home type deal, but not an independent home console, there is simply no point.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 23 August 2021

victor83fernandes said:
Kakadu18 said:

Let me quote you from the other thread about Nintendo being "out of touch":

"Games on Nintendo are not worth full price, because they cant compare graphically and performance wise to the competition, I didnt want a portable, I dont have time to play portable, I only play when I get home, so the switch is severely underpowered compared to my ps5 and even my xbox one X, why would I pay 70 euros for a game on switch in 1080p or less, that is available for 40 euros on the other consoles in 4k?

Disappointing games, the only brand new first party game worth full price is Mario odyssey for the whole generation. Breath of the wild doesn't count as its the exact same as the wiiU, the rest are ports that look no better than the wiiU, or overpriced remasters, or terrible remakes such as link to the past which is not even worth my time, let alone any money. There's no new pikmin, no new wave race, no new 3d donkey kong, no new mario kart, no new zelda, no new metroid prime, no new star fox, and other games such as smash bros, mario tennis, yoshi etc are nowhere near worth full price because they didnt change much from previous versions, its basically copy and paste, with hd graphics."

You call this praise?

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9315037

You can actually praise something and still admit its flaws, that's called unbiased opinions.

Just like I can praise ps5 for all the great improvements, and still find countless issues and flaws with it.

No device or game is perfect. Only fanboys will say something is perfect.

Nintendo switch has great amazing games, some of my all time favourites in there from any system, but it could have been a much better console for me if it was more powerful with the pro controller bundled.

Just like I give a lot of praise for Xbox series X, I think its the best console ever made, but it has many issues, lack of single player exclusives, UI too confusing and bloated, rechargeable battery should come bundled, and many more things.

I, unlike most of you here, am objective and unbiased.

The post had nothing to do with unbiased opinions, Kakadu18 was pointing out your contradictory statements that are the very antithesis of the ones you made in this thread .



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curl-6 said:

Yeah there is simply no good reason for Nintendo to go back to a dedicated home console now, the hybrid concept is just so much more successful and doesn't divide their limited development resources.

I could them MAYBE make a reverse Lite/Vita Home type deal, but not an independent home console, there is simply no point.

Exactly. A Switch or Switch 2 with a home console only version (like PlayStation TV) would be a very welcome option for people who want a cheaper product than the standard hybrid and don't give a crap about portable play. Or maybe they have enough money and want a second Switch in their house that's tv only. 

I do think Nintendo will release a Switch TV at some point. 2022 might be a good time, or 2023 depending on how long we have to wait until the Switch 2 comes out. 



Lifetime Sales Predictions 

Switch: 161 million (was 73 million, then 96 million, then 113 million, then 125 million, then 144 million, then 151 million, then 156 million)

PS5: 122 million (was 105 million, then 115 million) Xbox Series X/S: 38 million (was 60 million, then 67 million, then 57 million. then 48 million. then 40 million)

Switch 2: 120 million (was 116 million)

PS4: 120 mil (was 100 then 130 million, then 122 million) Xbox One: 51 mil (was 50 then 55 mil)

3DS: 75.5 mil (was 73, then 77 million)

"Let go your earthly tether, enter the void, empty and become wind." - Guru Laghima

I only want this

New Super Nintendo Switch Series X U pro XL Deluxe & Knuckles + Cats of the Wild Entertainment System

Nothing else will satisfy



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Nintendo won't go back to traditional consoles. Their success mainly comes from the games and the portable consoles the past generations. They've hit a home run with the Switch and there will definitely be a successor to it.

They might try and find a new gimmick to sell the consoles otherwise I don't expect a major departure from what we have now.



Wman1996 said:
Paperboy_J said:

Didn't read all the comments here, so if someone already said this I apologize, but...

I think they're gonna come out with a "powerful" home console that only plays on your TV (I put that in quotes because I still think such a thing is subjective), and the Switch is gonna become their new "handheld" so to speak, which they will continue to upgrade in small ways, but nothing major.

Also, Switch games will be playable on the new console, but not vice versa.

I don't think they'll do such a thing. Handheld platforms have been more successful for Nintendo in terms of hardware and software sold.

It wouldn't make sense to release a home console with games the Switch doesn't have, while still making a Switch. Nintendo would have to put a serious investment into consoles to ever catch up to Sony and Microsoft. And if they have a home console separate from the Switch that can't even compete with an PS5 and Xbox Series X (and beyond, depending on the timing) in specs, then there's little point. 

I don't think selling a Nintendo home console around the power level of a Xbox Series S has much appeal.

Nintendo unified the portable and stationary teams. Switch it's not portable, but a hybrid system, this dynamic it's the most positive side. You can play anywhere and have three ways, not only portable. The portable-only focus diminished the far strong switch side, one Sony and Microsoft have difficulty mimicking. Sony and Microsoft never treat the portable gamers equal,  stationary gamers have always preferred in the Microsoft and Sony consoles; and the AAA Focus take this at next level. 

DLSS, Cloud computer, and IA learning, focus on RISC is the future. I believe Nintendo makes this path, with good games, it's a good path. 



Wman1996 said:
curl-6 said:

Yeah there is simply no good reason for Nintendo to go back to a dedicated home console now, the hybrid concept is just so much more successful and doesn't divide their limited development resources.

I could them MAYBE make a reverse Lite/Vita Home type deal, but not an independent home console, there is simply no point.

Exactly. A Switch or Switch 2 with a home console only version (like PlayStation TV) would be a very welcome option for people who want a cheaper product than the standard hybrid and don't give a crap about portable play. Or maybe they have enough money and want a second Switch in their house that's tv only. 

I do think Nintendo will release a Switch TV at some point. 2022 might be a good time, or 2023 depending on how long we have to wait until the Switch 2 comes out. 

This would be awesome. I wouldn't consider this a dedicated home console, since it would still be the same base hardware as Switch (or Switch 2) just as a TV-only option like you said. But holy cow would it be nice if Nintendo offered this. Especially crazy if they did it with the current Switch hardware: it has such a low-end mobile SoC by today's standards, and such a paltry amount of RAM and onboard storage, that I bet Nintendo could easily release a Switch TV, WITH included Joy-Cons, for $99. And I am talking $99 with a good profit margin from the get-go, no selling at a loss. Just a simple box with a power out, HDMI, one USB port and SD card slot, probably the size of a deck of cards lol