Jaicee said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Now that the thread has died down a bit I just want to point out how uncomfortable it is that you're making jokes about black transwomen genocide whilst having acknowledged publicly in the past to being a TERF. I get that the joke is that the genocide doesn't exist in the first place and that it would be an outrageous claim to say it does, but regardless the joke feels pretty tasteless. Might want to think about that a bit next time, just an fyi. |
Those who demand sensitivity and respect from me ought to demonstrate some themselves. No one accepts the term "terf" as a descriptor of themselves and no one (including me) calls themself a terf unless they're being sarcastic. It's a misogynistic slur that is designated specifically and exclusively to women and frequently used in the context of a threat (the veiled one here being an example). The term feminist critics of gender identity use to describe that range of perspectives is "gender critical feminist" or GC feminist for shorthand. Such women, myself included, reject the label "terf" on two factual levels: 1) most women to whom the term is applied are not radical feminists, and... 2) the women-only spaces such women defend are exclusionary of all men, by sex-based definition. They are not exclusionary of trans people (e.g. transmen). |
I didn't demand anything, I just said it's might be something you want to think about next time. I also didn't make a veiled threat (?) at you. If you could kindly either show the example in which I did so, or take back that accusation, I'd be happy.
Here's you calling yourself a terf in your own words: Locked: (SPOILER ALERT) TLOU2: Thoughts of a Lonely, Loud-Mouthed Terf Dyke (vgchartz.com). It's the only reason why I used the label on you. Frankly, I took the title as you being sarcastic, but not about being a terf, moreso in a being sarcastic in the vein of "being a turf isn't actually a bad thing, but people think it is, so I'm going to say it in an overly sarcastic 'taking back the term!' kind of way". If you don't identify as a terf, I'm sorry for mislabeling you, but I don't think it changes much if I just quote some of the stuff you yourself say:
"Well...being as Lev's entire character arc is his transness, as in he seems to have no other distinguishing characteristics besides being transgender, it seems very apparent to me that he was included purely in order to convince ignorant, narrow-minded religious bigots like me that gender identity is totes for real. Did it succeed? Noooooooope. If anything, it reinforced my pre-existing opinion that gender identity is simply a crude, anti-feminist way of resisting patriarchal social roles. Lev, it turns out, is male because he has shaved his head and wanted to be a soldier instead of the involuntary wife of a political leader. He is male, in other words, because he wishes to resist forced feminization. (As much only makes me all the more grateful for the game's inclusion of characters like Abby who get to be largely gender-conforming without having to be transgendered.)"
And yes, I know that later on in the thread you say that what matters most to you is how something is represented in games, but regardless, I think you can understand how identifying yourself as a terf then specifically outlining how you don't like trans people because you don't believe in gender identity and transwomen are anti-feminist makes the joke you made in this comment a bad look. Honestly, when you spell it out this clearly that you don't like trans people because of gender identity affecting feminism, it doesn't really matter which label you prefer though, does it?
Regardless, I'm not sure why you are playing the victim when a rather innocent and thoughtful reply is sent your way. Responding by trying to say that someone threatened you (?) or that the person replying is demanding respect from you (when it was a suggestion, and one that wouldn't even show respect towards me in particular) isn't going to make you look better. It's just going to make you look like you're weaseling out of a pretty poor joke. I'm not trying to make this into an oppression olympics contest; you don't have to. Just because I say "hey maybe it's not funny to make jokes about a fake hypothetical trans genocide, even if the joke is that people would believe in something so outrageous your past comments make it a bit uncomfortable that you are using something like that as an example" doesn't mean you respond with "stop threatening me!".