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Which is better?

PS Vita 19 22.89%
 
Original Xbox 64 77.11%
 
Total:83
ArchangelMadzz said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Wirhout 3rd party, how many ps4 could be sold?

How many copies from those 16mil are full $60?

And sony 1st party games may work for some diehard fans of console, but they are meaningless on portable, no matter how big or how good they are.

So you agree it had bad support?

1st and 2nd lines are about ps4.

3rd line is about vita, it has great sony games and good 1st party support, but they are meaningless on a portable. Sony games only work on a console and for a limited audience, on a portable like vita, no matter how good they are, it's useless.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

So you agree it had bad support?

1st and 2nd lines are about ps4.

3rd line is about vita, it has great sony games and good 1st party support, but they are meaningless on a portable. Sony games only work on a console and for a limited audience, on a portable like vita, no matter how good they are, it's useless.

Sorry it sounds like you said the vita had bad 3rd party support.

Whilst also having bad first party support after the first 2 and a half years. 

So again.... how was I wrong in stating the Vita had bad support?



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ArchangelMadzz said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

1st and 2nd lines are about ps4.

3rd line is about vita, it has great sony games and good 1st party support, but they are meaningless on a portable. Sony games only work on a console and for a limited audience, on a portable like vita, no matter how good they are, it's useless.

Sorry it sounds like you said the vita had bad 3rd party support.

Whilst also having bad first party support after the first 2 and a half years. 

So again.... how was I wrong in stating the Vita had bad support?

"sounds like" to you, you mean.

You blamed Sony for everything with vita, i already said multi times that Sony supported vita very well but their games on portable just don't sell or moving hardware at all, they only work on console since the west care more about Sony games on Sony console, not Sony portable. Vita has great games (both 1st and 3rd) but they are meaningless against ps4, the west would pick a ps4 over something like vita/psp. Psp software sales show that the west don't care much about games on Sony portables (even if they're amazing), only on Sony consoles.



ArchangelMadzz said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

What kind of support that you want to ask? 1st party, 3rd party or indies?

It had plenty of indies, mainly first and third party support.

Wait, you think Sony supported the vita platform well?

HoangNhatAnh said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Sorry it sounds like you said the vita had bad 3rd party support.

Whilst also having bad first party support after the first 2 and a half years. 

So again.... how was I wrong in stating the Vita had bad support?

"sounds like" to you, you mean.

You blamed Sony for everything with vita, i already said multi times that Sony supported vita very well but their games on portable just don't sell or moving hardware at all, they only work on console since the west care more about Sony games on Sony console, not Sony portable. Vita has great games (both 1st and 3rd) but they are meaningless against ps4, the west would pick a ps4 over something like vita/psp. Psp software sales show that the west don't care much about games on Sony portables (even if they're amazing), only on Sony consoles.

You clearly didn't read the bolded. I blamed 3rd parties too.

Sony is mainly at fault though.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

It had plenty of indies, mainly first and third party support.

Wait, you think Sony supported the vita platform well?

HoangNhatAnh said:

"sounds like" to you, you mean.

You blamed Sony for everything with vita, i already said multi times that Sony supported vita very well but their games on portable just don't sell or moving hardware at all, they only work on console since the west care more about Sony games on Sony console, not Sony portable. Vita has great games (both 1st and 3rd) but they are meaningless against ps4, the west would pick a ps4 over something like vita/psp. Psp software sales show that the west don't care much about games on Sony portables (even if they're amazing), only on Sony consoles.

You clearly didn't read the bolded. I blamed 3rd parties too.

Sony is mainly at fault though.

By that logic, blame Sony customers too, vita has many 1st and 3rd parties games, but none of them sold well except Minecraft. The Westerner care more about gaming on tv with high resolution and pretty graphic than gaming on a small screen, this is true at least for Sony fans.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

HoangNhatAnh said:

"sounds like" to you, you mean.

You blamed Sony for everything with vita, i already said multi times that Sony supported vita very well but their games on portable just don't sell or moving hardware at all, they only work on console since the west care more about Sony games on Sony console, not Sony portable. Vita has great games (both 1st and 3rd) but they are meaningless against ps4, the west would pick a ps4 over something like vita/psp. Psp software sales show that the west don't care much about games on Sony portables (even if they're amazing), only on Sony consoles.

You clearly didn't read the bolded. I blamed 3rd parties too.

Sony is mainly at fault though.

By that logic, blame Sony customers too, vita has many 1st and 3rd parties games, but none of them sold well except Minecraft. The Westerner care more about gaming on tv with high resolution and pretty graphic than gaming on a small screen, this is true at least for Sony fans.

Did...did you just say to blame customers for not buying a product they didn't see as worth their money..

Jack Ryan is that you? ahaha



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HoangNhatAnh said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

HoangNhatAnh said:

"sounds like" to you, you mean.

You blamed Sony for everything with vita, i already said multi times that Sony supported vita very well but their games on portable just don't sell or moving hardware at all, they only work on console since the west care more about Sony games on Sony console, not Sony portable. Vita has great games (both 1st and 3rd) but they are meaningless against ps4, the west would pick a ps4 over something like vita/psp. Psp software sales show that the west don't care much about games on Sony portables (even if they're amazing), only on Sony consoles.

You clearly didn't read the bolded. I blamed 3rd parties too.

Sony is mainly at fault though.

By that logic, blame Sony customers too, vita has many 1st and 3rd parties games, but none of them sold well except Minecraft. The Westerner care more about gaming on tv with high resolution and pretty graphic than gaming on a small screen, this is true at least for Sony fans.

I personally would blame sony because they thought Uncharted and Killzone were going to be what sold a handheld. We needed RPGs, platformers and arcade action games etc. 

Imagine if the PSVita launched in year 1 with Jak and Daxter 4 instead of Uncharted, Final Fantasy Type 0, GOW Ascension, Ratchet and Clank into the Nexus, Pupeteer, Morrowind port etc. Sure not all of these are sony properties but its more the fact that they didn't establish the right deals and prioritise the right franchises to get the platform going.  A lot of late PS3 games could have been prioritized for Vita as they weren't major entries in the respective franchises (like GOW Ascension) and this reflected in how they sold. In the end though I'm glad with how things turned out, Sony are fully focused on home consoles and giving us experiences only their first party teams could and Nintendo is doing everything the Vita should have done. So its a win win! 



So it would seem that as in sales, the consensus is that while Xbox has never quite rivaled Sony's peaks, they haven't fallen as low at their worst either. (Although when we polled it the Xbox One was voted their worst system, still I suspect that would still comfortably in a poll against Vita)

Last edited by curl-6 - on 13 May 2021

ArchangelMadzz said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

By that logic, blame Sony customers too, vita has many 1st and 3rd parties games, but none of them sold well except Minecraft. The Westerner care more about gaming on tv with high resolution and pretty graphic than gaming on a small screen, this is true at least for Sony fans.

Did...did you just say to blame customers for not buying a product they didn't see as worth their money..

Jack Ryan is that you? ahaha

Sony already brought several big 1st party games to vita, none of them sold well, that is Sony fan's fault. This never happened to Nintendo fans when they made big 1st party games for 3ds at least in the early and middle 3ds life.

Otter said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

By that logic, blame Sony customers too, vita has many 1st and 3rd parties games, but none of them sold well except Minecraft. The Westerner care more about gaming on tv with high resolution and pretty graphic than gaming on a small screen, this is true at least for Sony fans.

I personally would blame sony because they thought Uncharted and Killzone were going to be what sold a handheld. We needed RPGs, platformers and arcade action games etc. 

Imagine if the PSVita launched in year 1 with Jak and Daxter 4 instead of Uncharted, Final Fantasy Type 0, GOW Ascension, Ratchet and Clank into the Nexus, Pupeteer, Morrowind port etc. Sure not all of these are sony properties but its more the fact that they didn't establish the right deals and prioritise the right franchises to get the platform going.  A lot of late PS3 games could have been prioritized for Vita as they weren't major entries in the respective franchises (like GOW Ascension) and this reflected in how they sold. In the end though I'm glad with how things turned out, Sony are fully focused on home consoles and giving us experiences only their first party teams could and Nintendo is doing everything the Vita should have done. So its a win win! 

RPG is always the biggest genre on vita.

Tearaway and Little Big Planet didn't sell any good on vita.

Gravity Rush completely flopped, new IPs like Soul Sacrifice or Freedom Wars got ignored too.

If these games were on 3ds, they might sell at least decently, not a completely bomb like the vita. 

Bold: it depends on what engine that game used, vita is nowhere near ps3 power after all.

Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 14 May 2021

HoangNhatAnh said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Did...did you just say to blame customers for not buying a product they didn't see as worth their money..

Jack Ryan is that you? ahaha

Sony already brought several big 1st party games to vita, none of them sold well, that is Sony fan's fault. This never happened to Nintendo fans when they made big 1st party games for 3ds at least in the early and middle 3ds life.

I'm speechless.



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