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My opinion is best summed up as:

Subscribed to at least one and like it 35 35.71%
 
Subscribed to at least one and not a fan 6 6.12%
 
Thinking about subscribing 6 6.12%
 
Was a subscriber and lapsed 4 4.08%
 
Will subscribe for big games and then drop 4 4.08%
 
Zero interest at all 28 28.57%
 
None of the current subs ... 8 8.16%
 
Other 7 7.14%
 
Total:98
Conina said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1. Even if we were to incorrectly assume that they only meant within their own ecosystem they would still have a deeply flawed dataset. Their ecosystem includes PC. Microsoft does not have a way to track all sales of games on Steam, GoG, EGS, or any of other multitude of stores on PC. Microsoft can only track purchases made through the Windows Store, or purchases of games they themselves have developed. Example: If I buy Halo MCC on PC via steam, MS knows I spent that money, because it's their game. If I buy a 3rd party game through the windows store MS once again knows I spent that money, because it's their store. But if I buy a non-MS game on Steam, GoG, EGS, or any other PC storefront MS has no way of knowing I bought that game. 

Are you still trying to prove their data is wrong by coming up with your own strange definition, what their ecosystem is?

Microsoft's gaming ecosystem is NOT all Xbox consoles + the whole PC platform... Microsoft's gaming ecosystem is all Xbox consoles + a part of the PC platform (the Windows store). They never claimed to track all sales of the other PC stores.

Or shall we also define Sony's gaming ecosystem is all PlayStation consoles + the whole PC platform, because PSnow is available on PCs?

If Sony owned Windows, then yes we would define Sony's gaming ecosystem as all Playstation consoles + the whole PC platform. Especially if the vast majority of Sony titles were available for purchase on PC. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 02 May 2021

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Ryuu96 said:

Context matters, if folk can't understand context then that is on them. For something so obvious it is the first time I've seen someone suggest this and most fans assumed they were talking about their own ecosystem.

Yeah, I see that all the time in commentaries to statistics:

"The statistic doesn't show the data I want to talk about, it has a different focus... so this statistic is useless/flawed/wrong".



Cerebralbore101 said:

If Sony owned Windows, then yes we would define Sony's gaming ecosystem as all Playstation consoles + the whole PC platform. Especially if the vast majority of Sony titles were available for purchase on PC. 

Eco system <> operating system, especially if it is an open OS.



Cerebralbore101 said:
Conina said:

Are you still trying to prove their data is wrong by coming up with your own strange definition, what their ecosystem is?

Microsoft's gaming ecosystem is NOT all Xbox consoles + the whole PC platform... Microsoft's gaming ecosystem is all Xbox consoles + a part of the PC platform (the Windows store). They never claimed to track all sales of the other PC stores.

Or shall we also define Sony's gaming ecosystem is all PlayStation consoles + the whole PC platform, because PSnow is available on PCs?

If Sony owned Windows, then yes we would define Sony's gaming ecosystem as all Playstation consoles + the whole PC platform. Especially if the vast majority of Sony titles were available for purchase on PC. 

...Why would you define Sony's gaming ecosystem as the entire PC platform simply for owning Windows? They'd also have to own Epic Store, Windows Store and Steam...

Windows =/= Gaming Ecosystem.

Xbox's Gaming Ecosystem is Xbox Store and Windows Store. Steam is an extension but not their ecosystem, it's Valves.

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Ryuu96 said:

...Why would you define Sony's gaming ecosystem as the entire PC platform simply for owning Windows? They'd also have to own Epic Store, Windows Store and Steam...

Sony already invested 450 million USD into the Epic Store, so let's project any of their stats onto PC performance.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/13/22381691/epic-games-sony-investment-fortnite-fall-guys-rocket-league



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Ryuu96 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

1. Even if we were to incorrectly assume that they only meant within their own ecosystem they would still have a deeply flawed dataset. Their ecosystem includes PC. Microsoft does not have a way to track all sales of games on Steam, GoG, EGS, or any of other multitude of stores on PC. Microsoft can only track purchases made through the Windows Store, or purchases of games they themselves have developed. Example: If I buy Halo MCC on PC via steam, MS knows I spent that money, because it's their game. If I buy a 3rd party game through the windows store MS once again knows I spent that money, because it's their store. But if I buy a non-MS game on Steam, GoG, EGS, or any other PC storefront MS has no way of knowing I bought that game. 

2.  Xbox Exec Sarah Bond said, "Game Pass subscribers spend 20% more time playing games, play 30% more games, play 40% more genres and, crucially, spend about 20% more on gaming overall." Overall means to take everything into account. 

Of course someone could argue that she meant overall as in all types purchases made in Xbox's storefront (including MTX, XBL Subscriptions, and DLC packs). Had she simply said overall, or overall revenue and not gaming overall then that interpretation would make sense. But of course that isn't what gaming overall means. If I were to ask you how much money was spent in 2020 on gaming overall you wouldn't come back to me with only money spent on Xbox games. You would come back to me with information on how much money was spent on gaming including Mobile, Switch, PC, Xbox, Sony, and browser games at the very least. 

It's obvious here that when she said "gaming overall" she meant the entirety of gaming. Either that or she doesn't know the meaning of the words that she is using. And if she didn't mean "gaming overall", but instead meant "Xbox ecosystem revenue overall" then that's on her for failing to properly communicate. 

There's another option, you're seeing what you want to see, this is the first time I've ever seen this line of questioning, Lol.

Overall doesn't have to mean the entire industry when we're talking in the context of a specific ecosystem.

The bolded does make sense even in the "gaming overall" context, because they're talking about their own ecosystem. If you asked me it wouldn't be the same context because I don't work for any corporation, so of course I would give a comment on the overall industry, if you ask a company, why the hell are they going to mention numbers for Sony/Nintendo which they don't know? They're going to talk about their own ecosystem because that is what matters most to them.

Context matters, if folk can't understand context then that is on them. For something so obvious it is the first time I've seen someone suggest this and most fans assumed they were talking about their own ecosystem...Where are the folk suggesting that she meant the overall industry apart from you?

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/11/13/phil-spencer-on-console-gaming-space/

Xbox head Phil Spencer has said that console gaming is becoming “a smaller and smaller” percentage of the overall gaming space.

Speaking to The Guardian about Microsoft being perceived as Sony‘s main competitor, Spencer noted that there are around three billion gamers in the world, but only around 200 million households with a video game console. He believes that those who are still engaged in console wars aren’t keeping up with the times.

There you go. There's an example of an Xbox exec saying "Overall Gaming" and meaning more than just the Xbox platform. Your claim that Xbox execs can only mean Xbox when they say "Overall Gaming" is factually false. 



Dear lord you're still ignoring context...

I never said Xbox execs can only mean Xbox when saying Overall Gaming but when talking about what Game Pass members spend in comparison to non-subscribers it is so damn obvious they're talking about their own ecosystem...

Context!!!

I'll say again, for something so obvious, this is the first time I've seen this debate, you're also the only person here debating that they meant the entire industry, nobody else is suggesting that they meant that, Angelus didn't suggest that they meant that when he posted it, you're reading what you want to read.

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Cerebralbore101 said:

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/11/13/phil-spencer-on-console-gaming-space/

Xbox head Phil Spencer has said that console gaming is becoming “a smaller and smaller” percentage of the overall gaming space.

Speaking to The Guardian about Microsoft being perceived as Sony‘s main competitor, Spencer noted that there are around three billion gamers in the world, but only around 200 million households with a video game console. He believes that those who are still engaged in console wars aren’t keeping up with the times.

There you go. There's an example of an Xbox exec saying "Overall Gaming" and meaning more than just the Xbox platform. Your claim that Xbox execs can only mean Xbox when they say "Overall Gaming" is factually false. 

You still don't understand context. Not every sentence containing the word "overall" means the same group.



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Guys, nothing wrong with giving your side, but when it gets personal, or the trolling has reached a turning point, folks should bow out. Some posts feel like a particular attack on Game Pass. I won't give my opinions on the service, but be real, if you weren't interested in it before this thread, you chose coming in here to have a go at it. Totally unnecessary!

So, I'll give it a chance to be repaired, but if it doesn't improve, it will have to go! You can be critical without being a jerk.



                                                                                                                                                           

Conina said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

If Sony owned Windows, then yes we would define Sony's gaming ecosystem as all Playstation consoles + the whole PC platform. Especially if the vast majority of Sony titles were available for purchase on PC. 

Eco system <> operating system, especially if it is an open OS.

Here is Phil spencer referring to the PC as an ecosystem. https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2019/05/30/microsoft-approach-to-pc-gaming/

Today I’d like to share three steps we are taking to contribute to the thriving PC gaming ecosystem.

So your idea that ecosystem and operating system are two different things is false.