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Will Switch outsell PS2 and/or DS?

Yes, it will outsell PS2's (~159Million) 100 57.47%
 
Will outsell the DS, but not the PS2 74 42.53%
 
Switch will fall short of both DS & PS2 0 0%
 
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Illusion said:
ninjapirate42 said:

So many factors here, but it certainly has a shot. But without knowing what Nintendo's plans are for a new console and the timing of it are the big questions here.
Also, if they released a Switch Pro which was just an upgraded Switch and not a new system that would certainly help to drive up sales (and to cause many people to double dip for the better system who already owned a previous version).

I will go ahead and guess that it will beat it, since I have to guess something :)

I think that you hit the nail on the head.

If Nintendo ends up releasing a Switch Pro that has all the bells and whistles that we are hoping for such as DLSS and a significantly improved screen, then there is no question that 150M will be easily passed by the Switch and I even believe that 200M is realistic target.  That bigger question we need to ask as a community in this case, though, is whether this counts as a new console or is a refresh similar to what the New 3DS was.  Is backwards compatibility and a similar name and form factor enough to consider two pieces of hardware to be the same console generation even if the hardware capabilities are radically different?  The New3DS was not that much faster than the 3DS and a lot of people who had a 3DS did not re-purchase a New 3DS, but if the Switch Pro ends up using DLSS and is capable of 4K resolution then this puts it in new generation ballpark and a lot of people are going to want to have both models.

The question here comes down to a logistical one.  The momentum that the Switch currently has will land it somewhere close to 150M assuming that Nintendo does absolutely nothing in terms of hardware releases over the next 5 years, but this is highly unlikely in my opinion.  If Nintendo releases a vastly improved Switch pro in the next 1-2 years, then this will decimate the original Switch sales (maybe it peaks at 110-130M) but the new model is probably going to explode, especially if it is good as the rumors are suggesting right now.  In this case, it will come down to whether we consider the new Switch model a part of the original Switch generation.  In my opinion, if a ton of people are rebuying the Switch Pro for the radical enhancements it has then it doesn't seem fair to Microsoft and Sony in the console wars to continue adding up Switch sales.

Xbox One X was a major upgrade and was counted as same gen.

PS4 pro (to a lesser extent) was also quite the upgrade yet considered same both.

For both base consoles Cyberpunk looked horrible. Control also wasnt great on the base consoles. Im sure there are other examples as well.

So if a Switch pro releases vs a Switch 2 then it should be counted same gen.



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Oh absolutely, i think the chances the Switch don't become the best selling system of all time are pretty slim for many reasons.

1- It is experiencing DS high level years and is currently fighting to maybe beat DS's best years.
2-It is doing all that at a higher price and without price cut.
3- DS had already 2 revision to get there too, Switch only has the lite which doesn't give a reason to buy another system like a "pro" model will.

So yea, Switch is experiencing the highs of the DS but will also have longevity.
4-Nintendo slated many times now and will probably say in again in their next financial meeting in May, they will keep the Switch for around 8 years.

5- Nintendo doesn't have a competitor in the portable/hybrid market so they won't have to cut the legs of their console like they did with the DS and Gameboy. 


So it sold around 28 millions last year, will sell around 27-31 millions this year. It has already Pokemon and Splatoon next year to anticipate a drop. Also, the fact they are releasing Splatoon 3 in it's 6th year and that it is a game that gets support 1-2 years after release just underlines the fact Switch will be the main system until atleast 2024. To reduce a big drop next year, they still have the revision card and the price cut card. So i expect the sales to remain in the mid 20s next year. 

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Matsku said:
Farsala said:

It depends entirely on factors that are very difficult to predict.

1. Coronavirus- How long will it continue? When will people spend more on movies, restaurants, concerts etc again?

2. Nintendo- Does Nintendo want to release/ annnounce their next console in 2023 or 2024 or other? Do they want to release games past 2023? Do they want to price cut? Theoretically Nintendo could price cut the Switch to $99 and that would be 160m sales easy.

3. Competition- Does Sony want to price cut the PS5 or go for profit? Will GTA VI or other significant games release? Will MS buy Nintendo?

Shoot, I didn't think about that. When you consider everything that's going on Microsoft could actually be trying to merge with Nintendo. Keyword merge. I'm sure if Nintendo would be bought they'd wanna have their name in the new company that would actually be beneficial for Microsoft too. The new company would be called Microsoft-Nintendo. I don't think this merger would go through with authorities though. It would be too powerful in the Videogame space. Now a partnership where Nintendo games Come to Xbox/Pc and Xbox games to Nintendo. That would be something I'd like to see. Imagine Botw 2 on Pc with Rtx on+hdr that would actually get me to upgrade my Graphics card as soon as possible.

Y'all out here thinking Nintendo, a japenese company that barely is starting to open their IPs to new media (Mario movie) and on track to have the best selling console of all time, has the highest profit margin in the 3 main gaming companies, would listen to ANY offer from any other company to be bought ? 

Pls, if they didn't want to be bought before, they certainly will not want to be bought now when their stock is around their highest. It's not cause there is rumors of MS porting Masterchief collection on Switch cause they are in desperate need of attracting a new audience that Nintendo is interested in getting bought.



I'm saying no, because at the moment, it isn't something that's guaranteed, and we need to see more of the sales trends and future releases. (if Nintendo has a whole lot to show at E3 to show they're committed to continuing the Switch's lineup for years to come) I think it's possible but it's a LOT to sell, and it may not manage to do it. That said, sales are still strong, and they haven't even done a price cut or remodel yet. It could definitely happen.



pikashoe said:
Manlytears said:

no chance in hell.

Damn, what info do you have that everyone else is missing? I'm not confident either way, but you must have knowledge that everyone else doesn't.

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It's definitly possible for me.
I didn't vote because I don't know ^^.



Think about it this way, it sells close to 30mil again this year and even if it falls hard, it's still gonna sell at least 20mil. Maybe 25mil. That's 2022 then, how much more does it need? Like anywhere from 20-30mil in the rest of it's life. Nintendo ain't releasing a successor until March 2024 I think and even after the successor, it won't just stop selling. It reaching number 3 of all time is almost a given but number 2 and number 1 is more than in the realm of possibility. Especially if 2022 ends but being insane as well.



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Outselling the Playstation 2 is not an easy task, but on the other hand, the Switch already proved a lot of people wrong, so I won't doubt it.



Shadow1980 said:

Probably not. It's not impossible (yet), and I would be pleasantly surprised if it did, but I doubt it will happen. Personally, I'm thinking it'll end up somewhere in the 130-140M range.

First off, the PS2 & DS sold about the same globally, with the DS coming up just short of the PS2 (mainly because of Europe and RoW favoring the PS2; the DS came out on top in the U.S. & Japan). If the Switch can't beat the DS globally, it can't beat the PS2. The Switch is trailing the DS in the U.S., Japan, and especially Europe. The only reason it isn't even deeper in the hole against the DS is because of the pandemic (and a temporary assist from Animal Crossing, which may or may not have also benefited from the pandemic). However, it is exceeding the PS2 in Japan, and will likely pass the PS2 before this year is out. In the U.S., the Switch recently pulled just slightly ahead of the PS2, if we exclude the PS2's launch holiday, but it's also worth pointing out that the PS2 continued to sell very well into the later years of its life (19.4M units from 2005 to 2011), which could limit or, further down the road, potentially eliminate whatever lead the Switch gains over it. However, in Europe the Switch isn't selling anywhere close to what the PS2 sold, and is even trailing the PS4 by a significant margin.

On a regional basis, while the Switch is going to beat the PS2 by a very comfortable margin in Japan, and has a decent shot of beating the PS2 in the U.S., it's not going to get anywhere close to the PS2 in Europe. That European deficit will seriously hurt the Switch's chances of being the new #1 system globally, and I think it will likely completely prevent it from doing so.

Regarding Nintendo trying to extend the generation to maximize Switch sales, they can try, but another hardware revision alone won't cut it. Trying to grow sales through price cuts and/or hardware revisions is an effort that yields diminishing returns over time, regardless of the platform. With systems that have had multiple hardware revisions, the revisions released later on have never had a significant long-term effect, though they do often produce good short-term gains. This will likely be the case with the "Switch Pro," especially if it's a higher-priced, higher-end model (like the PS4 Pro or One X).

Nintendo is going to have to break with over two decades of past behavior and actually give serious, meaningful software support to the Switch for at least the next three years. And I'm not talking about just mid-level titles, spin-offs, and remakes/remasters. I'm talking new, original mega-blockbuster franchise titles. 2022 & 2023 are going to need to be as strong as 2017-2019 were in terms of software lineup. If we see things start to slow down next year, that could be a sign that Nintendo is drawing down support for the Switch in preparation for their next console, which isn't implausible considering their track record.

Though Splatoon is a Blockbuster Nintendo title Nowadays which like already said on this thread is supported by Nintendo for 1-2 years. That supports the notion that there won't be a successor at least till 2024 which gives the Switch plenty of time to catch up to the Ps2. Also, we haven't seen a price cut or a significant refresh yet, and a price cut at least has a long-lasting effect on sales, which the Ps2 had.



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