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Is Zack Snyder's Justice League better than theatrical

Yes 26 56.52%
 
No 4 8.70%
 
Don't care 11 23.91%
 
Same 5 10.87%
 
Total:46

Where can you even watch it outside of the US?



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foxmccloud64 said:

As some others have said it was a messed up turd before and now it was converted into two turds with some sprinkled trash for a makeover, as some people have noted there wasn't a "snyder cut", he left when he had a movie almost done because of his family problem then the other director came and completed a bit of what was necesary to round up the movie for a runtime about 2 hours, but in the end Snyder likes to play victim everytime the critics bashed his movies in response he always comes up with the same shit "i filmed more than four hours of scenes" and the like, so they gave him 70 million and went to shoot more scenes during all of 2020 and so when he says "you only saw like 25% of what i filmed", but of course if you went and filmed more than four hours of footage then of course the original film it's only going to represent a fraction of what you are launching as "one movie" when in reality you were going originally to make justice league part one and two as two separate movies, i'm considereing wether seeing it right now or wait someday when i'm bored, some say that if he ran at normal speed what he did in slow motion you basically could save like half and hour of time wasted.

I saw in youtube because it was an ad, a comparison someone made of the scene with the batmobile and the league in what was the final battle scene of the theatrical release and it's like completely the same, the same key-scenes appear in the two movies but in the Snyder version he likes to stretch the scenes a lot, by using his retarded slow mo every 30 seconds and by including a lot of trash with more explosions and lasers it's like he basically doesn't know what the editing room is for, i don't know who can like his style of photography everything looks too dark and blurry it's almost impossible to see anything, and like with Michael bay transformers he crowds the screen with so much shit everything begins to look confusing.

I have been a fan of DC almost since i've been born and have read and watched most of the modern materials that exist of DC superheroes and some key classic material, i always felt that the DC comics were written far better than what was churned out by Marvel because they didn't try to tackle the "serious problems" in the very wrong way marvel keep doing, but i think in movies deparment Marvel is too superior to Snyder movies, not to DC movies in general, but to Snyder movies and some other turds like green lantern.

Some critics are giving it now some fair scores just because some of them they are pretty impressionable by things like shock value, like when our heroes lose or are killed by the villains, like when they lauded the animated Justice League apokolips war for the same reason.

So people can’t appreciate the movie unless they’re impressionable? Your turd take on it is the only possible way to look at the movie? Despite not having seen the movie, you vomit this trash while downplaying other’s take for not aligning with your hate of Snyder. Get over yourself.

Last edited by Hynad - on 21 March 2021

Of course everyone can appreciate and enjoy what they want to, myself and a lot of people enjoy movies from all genres and thematics, but those movies not necesarily have something really "great" or "relevant" from narrative, technical and other points to evaluate,  a lot of my friends liked football soccer related movies, ok they were kinda entertaining for them but from the things presented in the movies they weren't something one would go and proclaim as the best of the best that has ever been done if put under thorough evaluation.

For Snyder movies i consider from MY evalution point of view when watching them that his best works have been the ones where the plot/history has already been handed to him and where he didn't have to change much from what was already written, if you go and read the comics of 300 and watchmen it's almost as if he just copied the panels and converted them into keyframes, also at that point he didn't go overboard with the darkening of the movie brightness and the color grading, for his DC universe directed movies he was given completely free reing wich resulted in some messes of movies, okay maybe i went a lot overboard with the "turd" but certainly they are bad movies as a longtime fan of the DC superheroes i couldn't help but feel more than dissapointed with the movies but outright scammed, for the first time in several years i went with a friend to watch Man of Steel in a big sceen IMAX and with all the expectation since the last Superman movie was Returns in 2006, and we were at the point of leaving the theatre when that completely nonsensical scene of Pa Kent and the tornado came to supposedly gave the drama, after that the movie carried tirelessly with "the fights" that were mostly invincible dudes tossing themselves for an hour without truly achiving much, when we exited the theatre we were dumbfounded mostly by the nonsensical things in the plot and characters that were done to supposedly create "drama", personally the best scene for me in the movie was the character of Christopher Meloni standing up to confront Faora while knowing he didn't have any chance to beat her, and when he told her back that "a good death is its own reward".

Also while Snyder certainly is stylish and has talent for special effects, he filters his movies so much with dark filters and whatnot that it makes harder to see what is happening sometimes, i don't know if someone didn't taught him but a lot of people watching Batman v Superman complanied about the same in the theaters here, ok you can style your photography as you want but if there are a lot of scenes were the public can barely see anything because it's too dark or  like in the scenes where Doomsday expells a lot of energy, a lot of people wanted to see more/better action with clarity on the screen, that same complain extended to the suicide squad movie.

As for the thing i said about "some critics", not "all the critics" nor "the majority of critics", just some critics is that it is okay they were impressed by something that happens like in the event of the Justice League Apokolips war or from the flashpoint storyline, but reading some of them it is clear that they are mostly just just carried away by the wow factor of the happenings without caring the construction, the adaption of flaspoint like storyline hasn't in my opinion been done well in other media because it was something even more personal for a lot of characters, just like Bane was a character that was never gave the characterization he deserved in adaptions until Christopher Nolan gave him something more akin to his capabilities in the comic, and i will add because those reviewers i read made the mistake to do unnecesary external comparissons and also reviewed purely on their gut, one of them for example is a reviewer i discovered that also said years ago that BvS was a historical event on cinema like no other a before and after not only on comic book movies but in movies in general, some reviewers like those also appeared after i looked on some opinions of Apokolips war, after i watched it i was like ok what the heck happened, and a lot of people were like "amazing our heroes were decimated and f*cked up in most brutal way by the bad guys", and I would just say ok that's right BUT it was just because in this case they removed the plot armor for everyone, they have been battling this intergalactic, godlike monsters and evil forces in several movies and suddenly NOW you remember that everyone is not Superman level of strenght or invincibility, you decide to dissable the internal media suspension disbelief for characters like Batman that supposedly are "normal humans", and also completely nerf characters that are kinda at superman level like the green lanterns, that is just plain bad writting.

I think i have some arguments and reasonable basis to classify a movie as i do,  but well, this is what i can say about the DC movies helmed by Snyder, if you say it is because i just like to vomit trash because i hate Snyder and all that ok, good on you, i just state what i think about the DC universe that he started with a lot of dissapointments beginning with MoS, following with the worse BvS, the similiar really bad Suicide squad, improving with Wonder Woman, the Whedon Justice League was bad but at least it was shorter, Aquaman was at least more visually stuning and entertaining, and for me the best DC movie that finally realizes some of the spirit of it's comic book characters and does it greatly is Shazam, now thanks to you and this reply i have remembered that i also haven't seen Wonder Woman 1984, and now i realize i wrote something this long on the board, so apologies if it is too large or going offtopic have a nice day Hynad.



SuaveSocialist said:
GameAnalyser said:

The reason why the latest movie is more of a vindication than a redemption is that the studio never allowed Snyder to complete his version that was ready in the form of an assembly cut with picture lock. The result was a Frankenstein wet clay mold from two directors for its theatrical release. Whedon being the other contributor for screenplay. 

A picture lock as suggested is something that is not to be confused with a completed movie. The assembly edit stays intact with pre-viz, concept videos and half completed/processed VFX shots and final script. The fact that AT&T approved 70 million dollars to complete his movie off the assembly cut helped in two things.

1. He was able to restore his own vision. 

This isn't a restoration of his vision.  Snyder has an editing and CGI studio in his own home in addition to having all his material on a hard drive; he wouldn't need a dime to "restore his vision" if this was actually made from his assembly edit.  Three years is more than enough time for him to have made the Snyder Cut by himself on his own time in his own home.

70 million dollars allowed him to use three years of hindsight to change his vision into a four-hour miniseries (which by itself requires a complete retooling of the story's structure and pacing) by filming additional scenes, re-shooting existing ones, revising the script, and overhauling the VFX.  

You are certainly free to enjoy the final product, but this isn't anything close to his original vision.  It's not so much a restoration, but a do-over.

As for me, not going to bother with it.  Thanks to Wonder Woman 1984 bottoming out as Rotten (59% on the Tomatometer), I am now owed four consecutive Certified Fresh DC movies before I give anything of theirs a try, and it was Phase 1 of the Snyderverse that started this clock in the first place.  

"I am now owed four consecutive Certified Fresh DC movies before I give anything of theirs a try"  That's not usually the way I go about here. I tend to make my opinion matter foremost( I owe that to myself) and give credit to the critiques from top critics later. But then everyone can be entitled to their own way of judging movies. 



Bofferbrauer2 said:

Where can you even watch it outside of the US?

This link can be of some use 

https://www.gamesradar.com/how-to-watch-snyder-cut-stream-justice-league-now/



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SuaveSocialist said:

70 million dollars allowed him to use three years of hindsight to change his vision into a four-hour miniseries (which by itself requires a complete retooling of the story's structure and pacing) by filming additional scenes, re-shooting existing ones, revising the script, and overhauling the VFX.  

You are certainly free to enjoy the final product, but this isn't anything close to his original vision.  It's not so much a restoration, but a do-over.

I completely agree.  I'd like to see his original script he was working with at the beginning and see how far off it was compared to this "Snyder Cut".  It'd also be funny to hear if Whedon followed Snyder's script more closely to Snyder's original vision than this Snyder Cut? loll

I read that that Future scene at the end was not originally part of his intended theater version and that was filmed just for this new version.  I wonder how many other new scenes he filmed that wasn't actually part of his "original vision".



I loved it. It was an actual story with actual motivations from each character that were well understood. The theatrical felt like a jumbled mess edited so bad that I could do a better job. Steppenwolf looked like a guy with mommy issues, Superman didn't feel like Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Flash seemed way less powerful than they are and Cyborg felt like he didn't even exist. If this 4 hour version was cut down to be like 3 hours and be the theatrical, they would've cemented DCEU as something to look out for. Sadly the abusive Joss Whedon and WB execs had their way and destroyed everyone's effort. All the actors genuinelt felt like they were putting their heart and soul into the movie with this release and the theatrical made them all look like chumps. Plus I love Martian Manhunter so for that alone, this is a hit for me.



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V-r0cK said:
SuaveSocialist said:

70 million dollars allowed him to use three years of hindsight to change his vision into a four-hour miniseries (which by itself requires a complete retooling of the story's structure and pacing) by filming additional scenes, re-shooting existing ones, revising the script, and overhauling the VFX.  

You are certainly free to enjoy the final product, but this isn't anything close to his original vision.  It's not so much a restoration, but a do-over.

I completely agree.  I'd like to see his original script he was working with at the beginning and see how far off it was compared to this "Snyder Cut".  It'd also be funny to hear if Whedon followed Snyder's script more closely to Snyder's original vision than this Snyder Cut? loll

I read that that Future scene at the end was not originally part of his intended theater version and that was filmed just for this new version.  I wonder how many other new scenes he filmed that wasn't actually part of his "original vision".

The only difference is the epilogue. That wasn't apart of the original assembly cut. He wanted to do an epilogue but he didn't get to before his daughter's passing. The epilogue he did film for this cut has two differences from what he was originally planning. The Nightmare Scene has a character that wasn't originally part of the film. The character featured in the final sequence was supposed to be someone else but the WB wouldn't let him use that character.

Spoiler!
The Joker is a new addition and John Stewart (Green Lantern) was supposed to talk to Bruce at the end of the epilogue.


GameAnalyser said:
SuaveSocialist said:

As for me, not going to bother with it.  Thanks to Wonder Woman 1984 bottoming out as Rotten (59% on the Tomatometer), I am now owed four consecutive Certified Fresh DC movies before I give anything of theirs a try, and it was Phase 1 of the Snyderverse that started this clock in the first place.  

That's not usually the way I go about here. I tend to make my opinion matter foremost( I owe that to myself) and give credit to the critiques from top critics later. 

I tried that for Phase 1, and it was done so badly that I lost confidence in DC's ability to contribute to the medium.  If they want me to invest my attention in their sprawling cinematic franchise, they will have to consistently produce quality movies (I owe it to myself to have standards if I'm going to watch a dozen interconnected movies).  Until they prove themselves able, they do not have the privilege of my time.  It's been almost eight years and they haven't even been able to release two Certified Fresh movies in a row, whereas half of their movies are rightfully considered terrible (Source:  https://www.rottentomatoes.com/franchise/dc_comics ).  

Disney managed to release three CF Star Wars movies in roughly a third of the time.  It shouldn't have been hard for DC to do the same.  Oh, well.  Maybe they'll have their act together by 2023.