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Is Zack Snyder's Justice League better than theatrical

Yes 26 56.52%
 
No 4 8.70%
 
Don't care 11 23.91%
 
Same 5 10.87%
 
Total:46
Captain_Yuri said:

I do have one big plot point issue with the movie and the reason why I hate it is because it could have been easily fixed.

Spoiler!

And the issue is the fact that when Darkseid invades Earth the first time, he loses... He is supposed to be this zomg villain and yet we see him getting his arse kicked. And then the movie tells us that it's the only invasion that he lost yet he apparently forgot about it. Compare this to say Thanos who never gets defeated in MCU (until End Game) and is able to take on the Hulk who we have seen been crazy strong.

The urghh thing is how easily this could have been fixed. Throughout the movie, we see Steppenwolf tell us the reason he is doing all this for Darkseid is because he wants to return home but he can't because he betrayed Darkseid and needs to conquer 50,000 worlds before he can. But we are never told as to exactly how he betrayed Darksied or anything like that if I remember correctly.

So why not instead have it so that instead of Darkseid being defeated in the first invasion, Steppenwolf is the one that gets defeated and he loses the Motherboxes. And the purpose of the current invasion would be for Steppenwolf to retrieve the Motherboxes he lost in and conquer the plannet order to return home. That way, we wouldn't see Darkseid being defeated and imo, would raise the stakes for Steppenwolf even more.

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The issue is when you draw comparisons to Thanos and then relate to the plot point without approaching the background of either characters. That segment of first invasion was the introduction of Uxas, much before he could establish the connection to the Omega realm for power. We had the God of War Ares along with men, Atlanteans and Amazonians. Uxas was simply vulnerable to Ares who draws insane amount of power from forces in war against their foes. And he was with the defenders of Earth(not to mention Zeus and Artemis). 

Steppenwolf raises the stakes  when he reveals to Desaad what Darkseid had learned of the ultimate weapon “The anti-life equation” before getting to the throne. He tries to emphasize again "before ..." but gets briefly interrupted by Desaad who dismissed it for the story of defiance. But when he reveals it's the primitive planet Earth, that he’s onto, having the hidden power and how it links back to Uxas, his stonger version (Darkseid) shows up. Thanos in MCU was still evolving without power from all stones on the infinity gauntlet. He was also short of crucial stones like power, soul, mind and time for ultimate dominion and and acquiring all six stones was just seen in a single movie to actually raise his stakes for Endgame.  

"But we are never told as to exactly how he betrayed Darksied or anything like that if I remember correctly." The betrayal arc is not significant here at this point since the motherboxes called out only to one of Darkseid's pawns indebted with world conquests. That pawn being Steppenwolf who had to owe his master more conquests as penance.

"So why not instead have it so that instead of Darkseid being defeated in the first invasion, Steppenwolf is the one that gets defeated and he loses the Motherboxes"  The 2017 movie built on this bad idea and lost the entire potential of taking the evolving arc of a more stronger Darkseid as the actual threat, indicated in Cyborg’s vision while resurrecting Superman.



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SuaveSocialist said:
GameAnalyser said:

That's not usually the way I go about here. I tend to make my opinion matter foremost( I owe that to myself) and give credit to the critiques from top critics later. 

 If they want me to invest my attention in their sprawling cinematic franchise, they will have to consistently produce quality movies (I owe it to myself to have standards if I'm going to watch a dozen interconnected movies).  Until they prove themselves able, they do not have the privilege of my time.

You can keep that to yourself and not force your standards of "10 odd consecutive certified critiques" to qualify on others who might have varying takes. Apparently a four hour cut of a movie is getting a warmer reception than it's theatrical counterpart whether you like it or not. 



I'm not into DC so it wasn't for me to begin with, but from what I've seen from reviews and such, it seems to address many of the issues in the first version.
More importantly, it was a win for the fandom in the overall culture war.



GameAnalyser said:
SuaveSocialist said:

 If they want me to invest my attention in their sprawling cinematic franchise, they will have to consistently produce quality movies (I owe it to myself to have standards if I'm going to watch a dozen interconnected movies).  Until they prove themselves able, they do not have the privilege of my time.

1. You can keep that to yourself

2. ...your standards of "10 odd consecutive certified critiques" to qualify

3. and not force your standards...on others who might have varying takes.

4. Apparently a four hour cut of a movie is getting a warmer reception than it's theatrical counterpart

5. whether you like it or not. 

1.  Your OP asked "Have you guys watched it or planning to?".  You asked, I answered, and I was content with leaving it at that.  Yet here you are, keeping the conversation alive.  If you want me to keep things to myself then stop inviting me to share them with you.

2.  My standard is "four consecutive Certified Fresh DC movies before I give anything of theirs a try" (formerly three), not ten.  Not sure who you are quoting.

3.  Then rejoice, for my standards are my own and I am not forcing any standards upon anybody.  Nor have I even suggested/argued that anyone else should adopt that standard for themselves.   

4.  Unfortunately, it fell short of being Certified Fresh, so it doesn't move the needle.

5.  I don't care; it needs to warm up a couple degrees before I give it a pat on the back.  My standard does not award participation trophies.



A long time ago, I made a list of everything wrong with Star Wars Ep VII and why it should be hated. I kinda got mad that people didn't hate it like I felt they should. Didn't matter. Nobody was changing their mind because of a forum post.

That's how I feel about Justice League. Maybe it has a lot of flaws and maybe I shouldn't like it but I really liked it. Nothing will change that.



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d21lewis said:

A long time ago, I made a list of everything wrong with Star Wars Ep VII and why it should be hated. I kinda got mad that people didn't hate it like I felt they should. Didn't matter. Nobody was changing their mind because of a forum post.

That's how I feel about Justice League. Maybe it has a lot of flaws and maybe I shouldn't like it but I really liked it. Nothing will change that.

Naw man, this is one of those situations where I think most reasonable people can see both sides. I still didn't think the movie was great, but it was good and certainly leagues better than the theatrical cut of the movie. There were things I liked, things I loved, things I hated, things I disliked, and a whole lot of neutral in it if you ask me. 

So yeah, don't put value on your stance based on how people feel about your opinions. When it comes to any form of entertainment (and ESPECIALLY comic book stuff), you're gonna get fanatics on either side of the coin. 

I've seen the whole movie now and I can say that....the flash scene near the end is genuinely one of the coolest, most interesting, and awesome scenes in any superhero movie ever, but I barely liked any of the first 1-2 hours of the movie. It was an interesting ride. 



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Watched it. Liked it. I didn't felt it was a long movie, things happened and fight occured.

Didn't watched the Whedon cut. Absolutely loathed the first Wonderwoman. I enjoyed BvS & Man of Steel.



I didn't and I probably won't.

I didn't enjoy either man of Steel or BvS, so I didn't really have any intention of seeing this when it was announced. I enjoy Wheedon's work better than Snyder in general, but by most accounts the movie was a mess, so I didn't see the theatrical release.

Apparently this release is better (although I suspect some of the more positive reception is due to different expectations), but there are a lot of movies better than the theatrical release of Justice League, and I'm not watching all of them, especially the ones that are four hours long.

Maybe if the DC Universe actually changes to follow from this version of Justice League, and the movies actually turn out good, I'll be curious enough to go back to this one... but that seems doubtful.

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I watched it over the weekend and I thought it was awesome! I'm glad I waited until it was released.

Personally, I think Zack Snyder should be given another chance after how much praise his cut of the film is getting.