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Rab said:
OneTime said:

Whereas your "moral authority" thinks that I am like a racist who hates trans people?  

You need to live in the real world.  It's tough out here, and if a someone gives me a job, I am grateful.  If they feel they can't afford to pay me at a later date, then I understand that they don't need me anymore.  There is no point me staying because they don't have stuff for me to do anymore, and eventually they will just run out of money.

Everything that happens, happens for a logical reason, not because there are some kind of "illuminati rich people" who somehow I never seem to meet in the real world.

If you think you know better, gamble on the stack market and become a rich person, or start your own company and prove everyone else wrong.  That is 100% your right.

Still missing the point

Society makes progress, sometimes things that are thought of as moral and good, may not be seen that way one day, I personally hope that corporations can take a leaf out of some Japanese companies book and treat their employees employment as the highest priority, and that management when performing poorly should take responsibility instead of paying themselves huge bonus's at the expense of people that have little in the way of resources to survive     

Except the "job for life" mentality in Japan makes it very hard for people to get a new job if they do lose theirs somehow and drives many to suicide. Personally I think it's much better to lose your job knowing that it shouldn't be too long before you get a new one, than to forever know that while it's unlikely you'll lose your job, it is still a possibility and if it does happen you'll probably end up killing yourself because you have so little chance of getting a new one.

Plus all of the social pressure to do a ridiculous amount of unpaid overtime, don't forget that either.

Edit: Oh and the idea of not wanting to fire people means that often when people aren't needed/wanted anymore they're transferred somewhere far away. So if you don't mind being forced to move across the country and say goodbye to your family...

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Ka-pi96 said:
Rab said:

Still missing the point

Society makes progress, sometimes things that are thought of as moral and good, may not be seen that way one day, I personally hope that corporations can take a leaf out of some Japanese companies book and treat their employees employment as the highest priority, and that management when performing poorly should take responsibility instead of paying themselves huge bonus's at the expense of people that have little in the way of resources to survive     

Except the "job for life" mentality in Japan makes it very hard for people to get a new job if they do lose theirs somehow and drives many to suicide. Personally I think it's much better to lose your job knowing that it shouldn't be too long before you get a new one, than to forever know that while it's unlikely you'll lose your job, it is still a possibility and if it does happen you'll probably end up killing yourself because you have so little chance of getting a new one.

Plus all of the social pressure to do a ridiculous amount of unpaid overtime, don't forget that either.

Edit: Oh and the idea of not wanting to fire people means that often when people aren't needed/wanted anymore they're transferred somewhere far away. So if you don't mind being forced to move across the country and say goodbye to your family...

All good points, Japan in some ways isn't ideal

Personally the reason I brought up this topic is I have issue with how poor management gets bonuses whilst mostly powerless employees get the axe, it happens a lot and it feeds into the growing inequality we all hear and see

This issue is well documented, but little is ever done, it just seems normal to so many people and gets forgotten, but lives of workers can be devastated, whilst the powerful, free and unhindered for the most part, reward themselves   



Ka-pi96 said:
OneTime said:

Interesting that you think that things that aren't in the company's interests increase the share value.  That would seem to be counterintuitive to most investors.

It's true though. At the end of the day share values reflect the short term success of the company significantly more than they do the long term. It's definitely not uncommon for people to put off or avoid things that would benefit them in the long term if they'd negatively impact the short term. It's not just companies either, governments are incredibly prone to that too.

You know where robinhood.com is then.  Plenty of investors make money by investing for long term trends.

Every day the share price is exactly where there is a balance of people buying and selling.  If you are smarter, don't argue with me here.  Go forth and make money.



Rab said:

All good points, Japan in some ways isn't ideal

Personally the reason I brought up this topic is I have issue with how poor management gets bonuses whilst mostly powerless employees get the axe, it happens a lot and it feeds into the growing inequality we all hear and see

This issue is well documented, but little is ever done, it just seems normal to so many people and gets forgotten, but lives of workers can be devastated, whilst the powerful, free and unhindered for the most part, reward themselves   

That is fundamentally BS - people in management are the same people who used to be "powerless employees".  You'd know that if you worked anywhere for a period of time.

There is no such thing as "normal" people and "illuminati" people.  



Pemalite said:
Rab said:

I understand this is normal and happens all  the time, slavery was normal once too, so was treating gays, trans, women like second class citizens normal and still is in many parts of the world, the point is we can do better and should try to be better, not just accept it (I know you didn't mean it like that, I've read your posts countless times, and your a decent person by far) 

Comparing the loss of a job (And wishing them luck in finding another outlet!) to slavery, discrimination and so forth are completely and utterly different issues.

You will need to come back with a more logical argument... Rather than whatever the hell that was.

I believe what he's saying is that just because some practice is common, that doesn't make it the morally right thing to do.  He probably made his point poorly, but I'm pretty sure that is what he meant.

You may not agree that this practice is morally wrong, but at least now you can disagree with his actual point instead of some kind of unintentional straw man.



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My goodness, didn't know most people on this sub were conservatives... Good to know.

Edit: I also like how most people in this thread (including the moderator) are taking more offense to one of the posters argument which wasn't even half bad, it doesn't take too much thinking to understand the point he was making which was a fine one, than the fact that a billionaire CEO took a 200M$ bonus while his peasant employees are making crums while living under the stress that they are expendable in the ultimate goal of maximizing the CEOs and all the other big time shareholders pockets. And the golden part, IT'S THE PEASANTS who defend him! Amazing.

A 200M$ bonus, no matter who you are, jesus, god, Putin, it should NEVER, EVER happen. Funny people here will defend it.

Also, another poster arguing that the bourgeois capitalistic system ,because he somehow worked at a management level (whatever that means), isn't rigged for the top 0,1% is pure GOLD.

This is a fun thread...

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Rab said:
Pemalite said:

Comparing the loss of a job (And wishing them luck in finding another outlet!) to slavery, discrimination and so forth are completely and utterly different issues.

You will need to come back with a more logical argument... Rather than whatever the hell that was.

I'm not making a direct comparison, people really missed the point :p

It's more of what we think of as "normal", once slavery was "normal" now its not (I also mentioned how women were and are treated, but that didn't even get a mention, straight to the most emotive point lol), this situation may seem "normal" so it doesn't garner much attention, but it really is something that needs to change imo

Again, you are conflating two completely different things.

You can always find another/better job. A slave isn't going to find a new/better slave master.

I am getting your point on what is "deemed" normal and how things that were deemed normal has changed over time...
But loosing a job isn't the end of the world, it's not that big of a deal, there is plenty of work out there, plenty of career paths that can be taken.
I was working in Health once, decided to throw it all in and changed into fire and rescue.

You are not entitled to a 100% secured job forever, things change, companies/businesses/organizations go through periods of booms and busts.

But comparing it to discrimination or slavery to backup your arguments is downright disgusting, I am part of the LGBTQI community, I actually know what discrimination is.

Rab said:

The fact management can be rewarded for a poorly run business and the only the ones that suffer are the employees is pretty bad, surely some of you can see that  

What part of "Hope they find new employment quickly" didn't you grasp?

It's certainly not wishing ill on the individuals. - And it is certainly not praising management for receiving a bonus whilst they cut off employees.

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benji232 said:

A 200M$ bonus, no matter who you are, jesus, god, Putin, it should NEVER, EVER happen. Funny people here will defend it.

But what's the alternative? Limit how wealthy businesses and individuals can be? Giving that money to government directly so they can piss it away?

If Activision feels he's worth that extra $200 million (much of which is probably taken by taxes), I'm not really concerned. I don't think capping how wealthy people are allowed to be is going to improve quality of life. Shaming people for not siding with liberal perspectives isn't going to help either.



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Rab said:
OneTime said:

Interesting that you think that things that aren't in the company's interests increase the share value.  That would seem to be counterintuitive to most investors.

As ever, armchair commenting is easy.  People who think they know better than the stock market really, really should put their money where their mouths are.  Then post a photo from your private yacht in a few years to make us all envious...  

The Stock market is just gambling for the Rich 

Myself and many others who aren't rich have made thousands placing safe bets on the stock market.



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