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Rab said:
Pemalite said:

Comparing the loss of a job (And wishing them luck in finding another outlet!) to slavery, discrimination and so forth are completely and utterly different issues.

You will need to come back with a more logical argument... Rather than whatever the hell that was.

I'm not making a direct comparison, people really missed the point :p

It's more of what we think of as "normal", once slavery was "normal" now its not (I also mentioned how women were and are treated, but that didn't even get a mention, straight to the most emotive point lol), this situation may seem "normal" so it doesn't garner much attention, but it really is something that needs to change imo

The fact management can be rewarded for a poorly run business and the only the ones that suffer are the employees is pretty bad, surely some of you can see that  

Yes you were making a direct comparison, and that pretty much makes anything else you said irrelevant.



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OneTime said:
Rab said:

I'm not making a direct comparison, people really missed the point :p

It's more of what we think of as "normal", once slavery was "normal" now its not (I also mentioned how women were and are treated, but that didn't even get a mention, straight to the most emotive point lol), this situation may seem "normal" so it doesn't garner much attention, but it really is something that needs to change imo

The fact management can be rewarded for a poorly run business and the only the ones that suffer are the employees is pretty bad, surely some of you can see that  

Yes you were making a direct comparison, and that pretty much makes anything else you said irrelevant.

You are wrong about what I meant, your gaslighting 



Rab said:
OneTime said:

Yes you were making a direct comparison, and that pretty much makes anything else you said irrelevant.

You are wrong about what I meant, your gaslighting 

You wrote it.  Everyone here read it.  If you didn't mean it, then apologise and edit it or something.



OneTime said:
Rab said:

You are wrong about what I meant, your gaslighting 

You wrote it.  Everyone here read it.  If you didn't mean item then apologise and edit it or something.

I only compare the part where it was once seen as normal by the majority, as well treating gays, Trans and women as second class citizens was seen as normal 

Hope you understand now, and move back to the topic without all the derails  



Rab said:
OneTime said:

You wrote it.  Everyone here read it.  If you didn't mean item then apologise and edit it or something.

I only compare the part where it was once seen as normal by the majority, as well as the bad attituded to gays, Trans and women  

So you're saying that if I think a company needs to be able to hire and fire staff, and that it is up the company holders what they do with their own money, then I am in the same league as a slave owner?



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OneTime said:
Rab said:

I only compare the part where it was once seen as normal by the majority, as well as the bad attituded to gays, Trans and women  

So you're saying that if I think a company needs to be able to hire and fire staff, and that it is up the company holders what they do with their own money, then I am in the same league as a slave owner?

No, but like a slave owner you may see your behaviour as normal and moral 



Rab said:
OneTime said:

So you're saying that if I think a company needs to be able to hire and fire staff, and that it is up the company holders what they do with their own money, then I am in the same league as a slave owner?

No, but like a slave owner you may see your behaviour as normal and moral 

Whereas your "moral authority" thinks that I am like a racist who hates trans people?  

You need to live in the real world.  It's tough out here, and if a someone gives me a job, I am grateful.  If they feel they can't afford to pay me at a later date, then I understand that they don't need me anymore.  There is no point me staying because they don't have stuff for me to do anymore, and eventually they will just run out of money.

Everything that happens, happens for a logical reason, not because there are some kind of "illuminati rich people" who somehow I never seem to meet in the real world.

If you think you know better, gamble on the stack market and become a rich person, or start your own company and prove everyone else wrong.  That is 100% your right.



OneTime said:
Rab said:

No, but like a slave owner you may see your behaviour as normal and moral 

Whereas your "moral authority" thinks that I am like a racist who hates trans people?  

You need to live in the real world.  It's tough out here, and if a someone gives me a job, I am grateful.  If they feel they can't afford to pay me at a later date, then I understand that they don't need me anymore.  There is no point me staying because they don't have stuff for me to do anymore, and eventually they will just run out of money.

Everything that happens, happens for a logical reason, not because there are some kind of "illuminati rich people" who somehow I never seem to meet in the real world.

If you think you know better, gamble on the stack market and become a rich person, or start your own company and prove everyone else wrong.  That is 100% your right.

Still missing the point

Society makes progress, sometimes things that are thought of as moral and good, may not be seen that way one day, I personally hope that corporations can take a leaf out of some Japanese companies book and treat their employees employment as the highest priority, and that management when performing poorly should take responsibility instead of paying themselves huge bonus's at the expense of people that have little in the way of resources to survive     



Ka-pi96 said:
Rab said:

Still missing the point

Society makes progress, sometimes things that are thought of as moral and good, may not be seen that way one day, I personally hope that corporations can take a leaf out of some Japanese companies book and treat their employees employment as the highest priority, and that management when performing poorly should take responsibility instead of paying themselves huge bonus's at the expense of people that have little in the way of resources to survive     

Except the "job for life" mentality in Japan makes it very hard for people to get a new job if they do lose theirs somehow and drives many to suicide. Personally I think it's much better to lose your job knowing that it shouldn't be too long before you get a new one, than to forever know that while it's unlikely you'll lose your job, it is still a possibility and if it does happen you'll probably end up killing yourself because you have so little chance of getting a new one.

Plus all of the social pressure to do a ridiculous amount of unpaid overtime, don't forget that either.

Edit: Oh and the idea of not wanting to fire people means that often when people aren't needed/wanted anymore they're transferred somewhere far away. So if you don't mind being forced to move across the country and say goodbye to your family...

All good points, Japan in some ways isn't ideal

Personally the reason I brought up this topic is I have issue with how poor management gets bonuses whilst mostly powerless employees get the axe, it happens a lot and it feeds into the growing inequality we all hear and see

This issue is well documented, but little is ever done, it just seems normal to so many people and gets forgotten, but lives of workers can be devastated, whilst the powerful, free and unhindered for the most part, reward themselves   



Ka-pi96 said:
OneTime said:

Interesting that you think that things that aren't in the company's interests increase the share value.  That would seem to be counterintuitive to most investors.

It's true though. At the end of the day share values reflect the short term success of the company significantly more than they do the long term. It's definitely not uncommon for people to put off or avoid things that would benefit them in the long term if they'd negatively impact the short term. It's not just companies either, governments are incredibly prone to that too.

You know where robinhood.com is then.  Plenty of investors make money by investing for long term trends.

Every day the share price is exactly where there is a balance of people buying and selling.  If you are smarter, don't argue with me here.  Go forth and make money.