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Ka-pi96 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I have to give it to GF, this is the most ambitious project they've taken on thus far. But ambition only gets them so far, they still haven't proven they can tackle anything of this scale (just look at SwSh performance and the state of the Wild Areas), so they really have to step up their game if they want this to be a success. Maybe that's the reason why they're outsorcing the DP remake, to focus on Breath of the Arceus, but how effective that will be, only time will tell.

Also, they better bring all pokemon back this time.

I actually disagree with this. I'd rather they have less Pokemon in future games rather than more.

It really annoys me how many Pokemon from previous gens they put in the new ones. The different regions in Pokemon don't feel that different if they all share the same Pokemon. I really loved gen 5 and Isshu for that reason. It only had new Pokemon, none of the old ones at all, which really made it feel new, unique and interesting. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like something that'll ever happen again, especially not with the recent gen 1 nostalgia drive Gamefreak have been on. But I'd still love more Pokemon that can only be found in a specific region, nowhere else, that makes those Pokemon, the region they're in and the game more interesting IMO.

I have mixed feelings about it

Half of Unova Pokemons are very ugly and copycat of the concepts of the original 150 Kanto Pokemons. GF proved they can't design 150 well looking monsters each gen, so they are focusing in making 60-70 better designed Pokemons and fulfilling the Dex with older Pokemons that's the best approach for the main story. It worked pretty well in both Kalos and Alola. Plus with that you can have some 200-250 Pokemons appearing before the League it means variety, BW suffers from repetitive encounters and battles because the smaller DeX, BW 2 corrected that 

Post-game is another thing entirely. Removing Pokemons is essentially removing content from competitive, it's true many Pokemons aren't ever appear on VGC because they are weak, but that are a crappy of useful Pokemons (and moves) that were removed from competitive and that sucks hard

That's said I don't think Legends will be a mainline pokemon, VGC will still be based on Sword and Shield, the Dex and Gameplay won't affect that. I'd better see them choosing 100-150 Pokemins and giving them good animations and assets than having a gargantuan DEX full of ugly animations 



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I'm not big into Pokémon myself, but this looks genuinely interesting to me, more the kind of thing I expected from a Switch-gen Pokémon game and a big leap over Sword and Shield. It's too early to say if they'll pull it off, but it definitely looks promising and I appreciate the ambition and freshness.

As far as performance concerns, it's a year away, plenty of time to optimize and polish.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I actually disagree with this. I'd rather they have less Pokemon in future games rather than more.

It really annoys me how many Pokemon from previous gens they put in the new ones. The different regions in Pokemon don't feel that different if they all share the same Pokemon. I really loved gen 5 and Isshu for that reason. It only had new Pokemon, none of the old ones at all, which really made it feel new, unique and interesting. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like something that'll ever happen again, especially not with the recent gen 1 nostalgia drive Gamefreak have been on. But I'd still love more Pokemon that can only be found in a specific region, nowhere else, that makes those Pokemon, the region they're in and the game more interesting IMO.

I have mixed feelings about it

Half of Unova Pokemons are very ugly and copycat of the concepts of the original 150 Kanto Pokemons. GF proved they can't design 150 well looking monsters each gen, so they are focusing in making 60-70 better designed Pokemons and fulfilling the Dex with older Pokemons that's the best approach for the main story. It worked pretty well in both Kalos and Alola. Plus with that you can have some 200-250 Pokemons appearing before the League it means variety, BW suffers from repetitive encounters and battles because the smaller DeX, BW 2 corrected that 

Post-game is another thing entirely. Removing Pokemons is essentially removing content from competitive, it's true many Pokemons aren't ever appear on VGC because they are weak, but that are a crappy of useful Pokemons (and moves) that were removed from competitive and that sucks hard

That's said I don't think Legends will be a mainline pokemon, VGC will still be based on Sword and Shield, the Dex and Gameplay won't affect that. I'd better see them choosing 100-150 Pokemins and giving them good animations and assets than having a gargantuan DEX full of ugly animations 

eh, I liked the Isshu Pokemon. 150 isn't really enough, I'll agree with that though.

I don't mind having older Pokemon reappear to some extent, although having an entirely new Pokedex certainly does have a high novelty factor. I just wish it were the minority that were taken from previous gens with the focus on new Pokemon. I think the Alola/Galar forms are a good way to help with that actually, since they're kind of reusing old designs and giving fans some nostalgia, but it's still partially a new Pokemon and gives the new region some uniqueness that it wouldn't have if it was 100% the same as the previous time that Pokemon had appeared.

TBH I'd be kind of annoyed if this game wasn't 100% the Sinnoh regional pokedex though. I don't really like them trampling on the established lore of the Pokemon world. Those were the Pokemon in Sinnoh last time so it should be the same ones this time too. Sure they could use the time difference to try and explain some different ones, but I don't think that works so well when you're going back in time, that would basically be saying some Pokemon that used to be in Sinnoh went extinct over the last couple hundred years.



JWeinCom said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I think we will get it on the Switch 2

Not sure if this was meant sarcastically or not, but Nintendo seems to have a lot on the horizon for 2022, compared to what seems, so far, like a pretty light 2021. Could just be a coincidence, but I would not be entirely shocked if Nintendo is targeting a lot of titles to 2022 to support some form of new hardware whether that's a revision or a new title, and things like Arceus and Splatoon 3 end up as cross gen. 

Nah I really mean it. Switch, while an incredible portable console, has a lot of limitations in it's hardware. With a lot of innovative tech that Nvidia is coming up with will hopefully make it into the Switch 2 in some form and should allow the hardware leap to be quite massive assuming something weird doesn't happen. That and then you have Game Freak gaining experience into making open world Pokemon games should be a recipe for a pretty awesome Pokemon on the Switch 2.



             

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Ka-pi96 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I have to give it to GF, this is the most ambitious project they've taken on thus far. But ambition only gets them so far, they still haven't proven they can tackle anything of this scale (just look at SwSh performance and the state of the Wild Areas), so they really have to step up their game if they want this to be a success. Maybe that's the reason why they're outsorcing the DP remake, to focus on Breath of the Arceus, but how effective that will be, only time will tell.

Also, they better bring all pokemon back this time.

I actually disagree with this. I'd rather they have less Pokemon in future games rather than more.

It really annoys me how many Pokemon from previous gens they put in the new ones. The different regions in Pokemon don't feel that different if they all share the same Pokemon. I really loved gen 5 and Isshu for that reason. It only had new Pokemon, none of the old ones at all, which really made it feel new, unique and interesting. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like something that'll ever happen again, especially not with the recent gen 1 nostalgia drive Gamefreak have been on. But I'd still love more Pokemon that can only be found in a specific region, nowhere else, that makes those Pokemon, the region they're in and the game more interesting IMO.

I agree with this. I don't need all Pokemon in it, I just want those who fit in the best.



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This is definitely in the right direction. I dont think Arecus will be the perfect one. But they should use it as a blueprint for future pokemon games.



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Mar1217 said:
h2ohno said:

By far the most exiting thing announced during Friday's Pokemon presentation was Pokemon Legends Arceus.

This is a massive, open world Pokemon game where you venture out into the wild and explore and find Pokemon living in the world.  It looks like Pokemon meets Breath of the Wild, and the trailer was trying to give Breath of the Wild vibes with certain shots.  This seems to be the game many of us wanted Sword and Shield to be, from the graphics being a huge improvement to the freedom and openness of the game.

That said, there are some problems.  The world seems pretty barren, with very few Pokemon on screen at any one time and no large Pokemon shown off to give off a sense of awe.  In addition, the framerate is bad, with some Pokemon looking like they are moving in single digit framerates.  Hopefully this is because they showed off an early unoptimized build since the game is at least a year away, but given Gamefreak's history of being unable to push whatever hardware they were working on there's plenty of reason for concern with the graphics.

If we're talking about GameFreak in the Switch-era, then no problem with the statement. However, they were some of the rarest devs to actually push their hardwares to the limit. 

The 3DS games were incredibly demanding, while the DS used 3D assests as well and continued to evolve the 2D pixel sprites to almost perfection at the end of the 5th Gen.

I'd actually say the Switch is the first console where GF hasn't been able to efficiently push the hardware to it's limit as they could.

Strongly disagree.  The 3DS Pokemon games did not begin to compare to games that actually pushed the hardware like Resident Evil Revelations, Kid Icarus Uprising, any Monster Hunter, ect.  The fact that there were performance problems with the 3D in X/Y and the 3D was abandoned in later games on the platform has more to do with poor programming and optimization on Gamefreak's part than the games being technically demanding in the assets and effects they pushed.  Pokemon games have never been among the better-looking games on their respective hardware.  Before the Switch that was never much of a problem, but Nintendo's other studios and even many third party developers have always pushed much more demanding games than Gamefreak on their respective hardware.

In terms of this new game, Gamefreak probably needs help from another studio which has experience in designing open-world games.  I hope they have Monoliftsoft helping them out like they did with Breath of the Wild.  The closer the Pokemon come to the animals of Xenoblade Chronicles X in the wonder they inspire upon encountering them the better.



Although as a concept it definitely is waht is needed for the series, I just don't see how the can deliver a good open world game in a short period of time. It was cool to see pokeballs being thrown, but still needs to show a lot more to prove it's a worthwhile game



Ka-pi96 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

I have to give it to GF, this is the most ambitious project they've taken on thus far. But ambition only gets them so far, they still haven't proven they can tackle anything of this scale (just look at SwSh performance and the state of the Wild Areas), so they really have to step up their game if they want this to be a success. Maybe that's the reason why they're outsorcing the DP remake, to focus on Breath of the Arceus, but how effective that will be, only time will tell.

Also, they better bring all pokemon back this time.

I actually disagree with this. I'd rather they have less Pokemon in future games rather than more.

It really annoys me how many Pokemon from previous gens they put in the new ones. The different regions in Pokemon don't feel that different if they all share the same Pokemon. I really loved gen 5 and Isshu for that reason. It only had new Pokemon, none of the old ones at all, which really made it feel new, unique and interesting. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like something that'll ever happen again, especially not with the recent gen 1 nostalgia drive Gamefreak have been on. But I'd still love more Pokemon that can only be found in a specific region, nowhere else, that makes those Pokemon, the region they're in and the game more interesting IMO.

Why would you want less content in the games you play?



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Darwinianevolution said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I actually disagree with this. I'd rather they have less Pokemon in future games rather than more.

It really annoys me how many Pokemon from previous gens they put in the new ones. The different regions in Pokemon don't feel that different if they all share the same Pokemon. I really loved gen 5 and Isshu for that reason. It only had new Pokemon, none of the old ones at all, which really made it feel new, unique and interesting. Unfortunately that doesn't seem like something that'll ever happen again, especially not with the recent gen 1 nostalgia drive Gamefreak have been on. But I'd still love more Pokemon that can only be found in a specific region, nowhere else, that makes those Pokemon, the region they're in and the game more interesting IMO.

Why would you want less content in the games you play?

Why would you want the same content you've already got rather than more new content? Especially when a lot of that content you've already got isn't that good. IMO the vast majority of gen 1 Pokemon designs are crap, so all of the gen 1 pandering Gamefreak has done lately has been pretty annoying to say the least.

Plus variety is nice. I can't think of any other game that re-uses the exact same enemies in every single entry and I certainly don't want any games like that, it'd be boring.