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Alright, just to get my argument straight, I'll say this:
-Yes, sometimes politics negatively affect sales.
-However, if handled well, politics can positively affect sales. This is a more difficult line to walk for bigger businesses though.
-Politics may also be a means of reaching new, younger markets as younger individuals have a greater expectation of social and political engagement from businesses.
-All of that said though, the thesis of "go woke, go broke" is largely opposed to the conservative idea that the left is exclusively responsible for "cancel culture"/"outrage culture", as it demonstrates that conservative consumers have power over brands, and choose not to engage with those brands if they demonstrate themselves to be too far left.



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sundin13 said:
TonsofPuppies said:

Identity politics leads to cancelling.

Identity politics -> insistence on political correctness -> violations of political correctness -> cancellation

I like how you gave us a bunch of examples of conservatives getting their panties in a bunch and boycotting/"cancelling" things from Gillette to the NBA to Disney, only to turn around and say "so clearly the woke libs cancelling things are the problem". 

Exactly plus he didn't even read the article about the Gillette ad because that ad didn't costs them billions of dollars in lost revenue.



Chris Hu said:
TonsofPuppies said:

HAHAHAHA. That's the funniest shit I've read here all day. Thanks for that. If you don't watch CNN, how did you come to this conclusion, by the way? Lmao

Because the last actual journalist working at Fox News Sheppard Smith left in 2019.  Keep on living in your alternate Universe and watch Fox News where everyone that isn't a republican is labeled as a far left winger but in the real world none of the people they try to vilify are even close to being far left wingers.  

The fact that you believe that CNN is a legitimate news outlet while Fox is not shows your own bias and hypocrisy. CNN is the left wing Fox News and Fox News is the right wing CNN. Both of them are incredibly biased and lacking in journalistic integrity. If you can't figure that out, I don't really know what to say other than I pity you.



TonsofPuppies said:
Chris Hu said:

Because the last actual journalist working at Fox News Sheppard Smith left in 2019.  Keep on living in your alternate Universe and watch Fox News where everyone that isn't a republican is labeled as a far left winger but in the real world none of the people they try to vilify are even close to being far left wingers.  

The fact that you believe that CNN is a legitimate news outlet while Fox is not shows your own bias and hypocrisy. CNN is the left wing Fox News and Fox News is the right wing CNN. Both of them are incredibly biased and lacking in journalistic integrity. If you can't figure that out, I don't really know what to say other than I pity you.

You have CNN confused with MSNBC.  



sundin13 said:

Alright, just to get my argument straight, I'll say this:
-Yes, sometimes politics negatively affect sales.
-However, if handled well, politics can positively affect sales. This is a more difficult line to walk for bigger businesses though.
-Politics may also be a means of reaching new, younger markets as younger individuals have a greater expectation of social and political engagement from businesses.
-All of that said though, the thesis of "go woke, go broke" is largely opposed to the conservative idea that the left is exclusively responsible for "cancel culture"/"outrage culture", as it demonstrates that conservative consumers have power over brands, and choose not to engage with those brands if they demonstrate themselves to be too far left.

This is a ridiculous idea, because when I was growing up (in the 1990s), it was always the conservative side who exhibited outrage culture. Outrage over violent video games. Outrage over The Simpsons. Outrage over South Park. Outrage of Pokemon. Outrage over Harry Potter. This is actually one of the reasons that I always identified myself as left wing growing up, since I loved all the things the right was always trying to "cancel". I never once made the claim that one side is better than the other or that cancel culture is an exclusively left wing tactic. Ever heard the old saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease"? I called out the right on their censorship tactics in the 1990s and now I'm calling the left on their bullshit now. It really is that simple.



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Chris Hu said:
TonsofPuppies said:

The fact that you believe that CNN is a legitimate news outlet while Fox is not shows your own bias and hypocrisy. CNN is the left wing Fox News and Fox News is the right wing CNN. Both of them are incredibly biased and lacking in journalistic integrity. If you can't figure that out, I don't really know what to say other than I pity you.

You have CNN confused with MSNBC.  

I don't. ALL the major news networks in the United States are heavily slanted to the left, except for Fox News. CNN is in the pocket of the democratic party. For god's sake, the Governor of NY's brother is a major anchor there. Open your eyes and quit embarrassing yourself.

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TonsofPuppies said:
Chris Hu said:

You have CNN confused with MSNBC.  

I don't. ALL the major news networks in the United States are heavily slanted to the left, except for Fox News. CNN is in the pocket of the democratic party. For god's sake, the Governor of NY's brother is a major anchor there. Open your eyes and quit embarrassing yourself.

CNN tends to be a pretty center-left outlet. I think some people consider them "far-left" because of how consistently bias they are towards the center left, but being consistently center left is very much distinct from being far left (hence why you'd be more likely to see CNN supporting Biden's ideas than Bernie's). The quality of their reporting is also a lot better than Fox news. That said, Fox is somewhat hard to judge because of the variety in their programming. I think the more out there shows fall about where Fox (TV) is on this chart, but there are probably a few shows which fall closer to Fox (Web). 

MSNBC is known to be a little further left and push a little heavier on certain types of incendiary opinion content, but even they don't come too close to touching the worse aspects of Fox News. 



Chris Hu said:
TonsofPuppies said:

The vast majority of these CEOs, specially in entertainment and technology ARE far-leftists themselves. You're so disingenuous that I'm embarrassed on your behalf. These people pander to each other because they are addicted to the false sense of moral superiority they get when they do things like this. They get off on it, like one big circle jerk. Most far-leftists don't believe the shit they say either. Socialists don't care about the poor. They just hate the rich (or anyone that has more than themselves). Their entire ideology is based on moral grandstanding. Perhaps try educating yourself instead of LARPing as a keyboard warrior on VGC.

By the way, what do you expect the Gillette CEO to say? "Yeah, our marketing team is moronic and should have known better." These people double and triple down on their stupidity all the time. And frankly, it doesn't matter what he says anyway. His company lost billions of dollars because of their piss poor decision making regarding marketing. So your statement of "idunno" if it was a good call or not is laughable. It clearly wasn't a good call. Also, I never said that they don't care about profit at all. What I actually said is that they're willing to sacrifice SOME profit in order to make a political statement and they clearly are. I made that very clear, so perhaps it's you who needs reading comprehension lessons, eh?

There aren't any far leftist in the USA and if you really think there are any you must be watching too much Fox news or live in a alternate Universe.  

Yeah, an American 'leftist' is actually a centrist by the standards of most of the world and any political researchers I've ever encountered. 



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Well it is certainly despicable to see a successful person like her come out and so blatantly embrace fascism. A person like that would probably have been better off without a social media account.
Should she have been fired? Probably not, it is difficult to see how that makes anything better for anybody. It certainly fuels the division, so that is not so good. And she probably ends up surrounding herself exclusively with other far-right fascist apologists.
On the other hand, it is difficult to judge how Lucas Film handles personnel matters. Allowing someone who post fascist apologisms on her SoMe account may be too much to ask for, and who knows how she behaved on set.



RolStoppable said:
sundin13 said:

Alright, just to get my argument straight, I'll say this:
-Yes, sometimes politics negatively affect sales.
-However, if handled well, politics can positively affect sales. This is a more difficult line to walk for bigger businesses though.
-Politics may also be a means of reaching new, younger markets as younger individuals have a greater expectation of social and political engagement from businesses.
-All of that said though, the thesis of "go woke, go broke" is largely opposed to the conservative idea that the left is exclusively responsible for "cancel culture"/"outrage culture", as it demonstrates that conservative consumers have power over brands, and choose not to engage with those brands if they demonstrate themselves to be too far left.

Shouldn't be hard to reach an agreement that both far-left and far-right nutjobs exercise cancel culture.

Horseshoe theory states that the far left and the far right are closer together than centrists.

I don't necessarily agree with this, but there are definitely factions who brand themselves as "far left" - like the whole Bernie thing - that prove the theory.

The way I see it, these problematic "far left" people aren't actually very far left; they're just extreme in how screechy and abrasively they voice their support for 1 or 2 policies and whatever left-associated cult of personality they follow. Ironically, they are more damaging for the leftward movement since they do things like "Bernie or Bust" which got the US Trump.



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