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ryuzaki57 said:
curl-6 said:

Haha, tell that to Momotaro, which cracked 2 million in its first couple of months in a single country, or Monster Hunter Rise, the biggest third party exclusive yet which will arrive in Switch's 4th year. Third party support on Switch has been increasing year after year, not decreasing.

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I mean, if any of that was true, we wouldn't be heading into the Switch's 4th year on the market with plenty of third party software in the pipeline like Monster Hunter Rise, Bravely Default II, Apex Legends, Rune Factory 5, Shin Megami Tensei V, Subnautica, Monster Hunter Stories 2, a new RE according to the guy who leaked Monster Hunter, etc. 

But Momotaro is a family-friendly game, hence perfectly fit for Switch's mainstream audience. Games aimed at children & families of course have a higher chance of succeeding. I remember Bandai's fishing game has been a big commercial hit. But 3rd parties don't make that many family games so my point refers to core games. Momotaro selling 2m isn't going to encourage anyone to make Switch games, given that most companies don't target that specific audience.

The 7 games you mention don't represent "plenty of 3rd party software". Apex & Subnautica are ports and for all the others there's some sort of deal behind them. Regarding MHRise, I remember reading that the project started 4 years ago. Now Capcom has realized that Monster Hunter as well as RE are immensly more successful as multiplat games, so when their contract with Nintendo expire they will be back to PS/Xbox. There is little genuine 3rd party support on Switch and it can only diminish as studios tackle PS5/XSX development.

Mnementh said:

Oh, you are back. That is great, give us more fun posts like this one.

I have always been here, in the review section.

After every quarter we get a number of third-party games, that sold over a million units in that quarter. Iirc in Q3 last year there were 5 and in Q4 9 third-party games, that sokd over a million units. We just never get the names of these games.

Now try to downplay the fact that there are dozens of third-party million sellers on the Switch. "There is no money to be made" is a false statement.



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Kakadu18 said:
ryuzaki57 said:

But Momotaro is a family-friendly game, hence perfectly fit for Switch's mainstream audience. Games aimed at children & families of course have a higher chance of succeeding. I remember Bandai's fishing game has been a big commercial hit. But 3rd parties don't make that many family games so my point refers to core games. Momotaro selling 2m isn't going to encourage anyone to make Switch games, given that most companies don't target that specific audience.

The 7 games you mention don't represent "plenty of 3rd party software". Apex & Subnautica are ports and for all the others there's some sort of deal behind them. Regarding MHRise, I remember reading that the project started 4 years ago. Now Capcom has realized that Monster Hunter as well as RE are immensly more successful as multiplat games, so when their contract with Nintendo expire they will be back to PS/Xbox. There is little genuine 3rd party support on Switch and it can only diminish as studios tackle PS5/XSX development.

Mnementh said:

Oh, you are back. That is great, give us more fun posts like this one.

I have always been here, in the review section.

After every quarter we get a number of third-party games, that sold over a million units in that quarter. Iirc in Q3 last year there were 5 and in Q4 9 third-party games, that sokd over a million units. We just never get the names of these games.

Now try to downplay the fact that there are dozens of third-party million sellers on the Switch. "There is no money to be made" is a false statement.

this third-party numbers are only for those who have physical edition. Only digital is more and don't count in this metric. 



Agente42 said:
Kakadu18 said:

After every quarter we get a number of third-party games, that sold over a million units in that quarter. Iirc in Q3 last year there were 5 and in Q4 9 third-party games, that sokd over a million units. We just never get the names of these games.

Now try to downplay the fact that there are dozens of third-party million sellers on the Switch. "There is no money to be made" is a false statement.

this third-party numbers are only for those who have physical edition. Only digital is more and don't count in this metric. 

Exactly! I remember Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon sold best on the Switch. That is definitely not a family friendly game. The Descenders had on the Switch the biggest launch ever for it's publisher and that game also launched on other consoles. Minecraft sells the best on the Switch for several years now and is most likely over 15mil units sold on Switch. Octopath Traveler and Mario + Rabbids sold over 2mil, Fitness Boxing, Taiko no Tatsujin: Drum 'n' fun and Enter the Gungeon sold over a million and Fitness Boxing 2 sold 500k in a much shorter time than it's predecessor, so another guaranteed million seller. From the Capcom leak we know that the Switch versions of Okami and Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Trilogy were by far the best selling skus. In Ace Attorney's case iirc over 70% of the now 1mil total. Disgaea 6 is in the west now Switch exclusive, I don't think they would have done that if the other games weren't very successful on the Switch. Sakuna of Rice and Ruin sold the best on Switch. Puyo Puyo Tetris and it's sequel sold the best on the Switch.

Here are some third-party games on the Switch that very likely sold over a million on the Switch alone and didn't get an official confirmation that they did so (digital only included):

Super Bomberman R, Dead Cells, Hollow Knight, Terraria, Minecraft Dungeons, Doom (1993), Doom II, Doom 64, Doom (2016), Dark Souls Remastered, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, Skyrim, Stardew Valley, FF VII, FF VIII, FF IX, Just Dance 2018, Just Dance 2019, Just Dance 2020, Just Dance 2021, Fifa 18, Fifa 19, Fifa 20, Fifa 21, Overwatch, Diablo 3, Puyo Puyo Tetris, Dragon Quest XI S, Undertale, Ori and the Blind Forest, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy, Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled, Spyro Reignited Trilogy, Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2, Dragon Ball FighterZ, Cuphead, Hades, Story of Seasons: Friends of Mineral Town, Rayman Legends: Definitive Edition, Shovel Knight, Mortal Kombat 11, Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate, Ultra Street Fighter II: The Final Challengers.

I'm sure I missed alot. The point is there's is alot of money to be made for third-party developers on the Switch.

Last edited by Kakadu18 - on 07 February 2021

Switch to me is a mix of a few things. It feels to me like someone mixed the era of SNES and Saturn into one system. From the types of newer games, it gets (Octopath Traveler & Daemon X Machina) to the older game ports it gets(tons of old shmups and arcade games plus last-gen, PS2 era, and such). To some of the literal remakes from that era. (Trials of Mana and Panzer Dragoon). It's kinda everything I want in one system. I do like my PS4 a lot and have some of the same stuff but Switch is even more so plus portable.

The switch is also very fun to import games for. Saturn and PC Engine are the two best platforms to import games on since they are not the most popular systems so they are loaded with hidden gems. While Switch is very successful it's still loaded with hidden gems you can import. So for me, this system kinda has it all for me. I don't think a whole lot about the Nintendo IPs themselves but what few I do have interest in have been great.

Last edited by Leynos - on 08 February 2021

Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Eagle367 said:

Actually, if you were a fan of PS2, NES, SNES, Sega, PS1, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3, PSP, PS Vita, or whatever other console, then you might consider a switch. If you don't buy into silly little console wars then the switch is an attractive system for hardcore gamers, casual market, kids, adults, even some really old adults. The only ones being immature are silly little fanboys and fangirls who think a console makes a man/woman or define adulthood somehow. Some 3-year-old kids are more mature than that.

This, i still don't know why people feel that they have the need for validation, approval and even the consent of others when buying their entertainment products, at least when i was a kid everyone in my region seemed to enjoy the different devices irrespectively of the brand, probably because our fathers always told us that they were luxuries and that we should value what we were given (there were local economic crises every few years), and since we had like 5-10 games at most, we tended to exchange games to try the ones we couldn't  afford to buy and there was also the situation it was preferred to spent a lot of time in Arcades, and when we got older we didn't have problem switching from Nintendo to PS1, PS2 or Xbox, and from PS2 to Xbox360 or from X360 to PS3, and maybe have a sideline gba/wii/ds since they were kinda cheap; the thing that i could observe was that there were a lot of kids that were born with the PS1 and the xbox360 and some of the PS4 ones as their first consoles, that tended to be entitled, bad manered, bad mouthed spoiled brats that always kept saying the classics:

"Nintendo is for babies","Nintendo only does games for kiddies", "Nintendo games are for little girls", "PS is for adults because their games have boobs, sex, violence, drugs, guns, blood, [insert your favorite supposedly adult feature here]", "Call of Duty is the greatest game of all Time","you are a bunch of noobs you should only play CoD because it's the most realistic war game unlike [insert game to look down on here]", "Minecraft is the best game ever made, i only play Minecraft, if you play anything other than Minecraft you are a [insert your favorite insult here]".

With respect to the thread, my brother for example, used to play a lot of Gamecube and Wii, but after that he only played FIFAS occasionaly in whatever PS, Xbox console he could get his hands on mostly borrowed from friends, now that he has a son and the kid is growing he buyed him a switch, and the kid is really invested in the games, he likes kirby, Pokemon, Smash Bros, minecraft, splatoon, lego jurassic world and his father makes the most of it by also playing Zeldas, FIFA and others, since the cousins of my nephew got jealous they also got switches, so yes i guess those kids that weren't even born when the wii was out and their fathers, now count towards a new statistic when accounting for people that weren't console owners.



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foxmccloud64 said:
Eagle367 said:

Actually, if you were a fan of PS2, NES, SNES, Sega, PS1, Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, PS4, PS3, PSP, PS Vita, or whatever other console, then you might consider a switch. If you don't buy into silly little console wars then the switch is an attractive system for hardcore gamers, casual market, kids, adults, even some really old adults. The only ones being immature are silly little fanboys and fangirls who think a console makes a man/woman or define adulthood somehow. Some 3-year-old kids are more mature than that.

This, i still don't know why people feel that they have the need for validation, approval and even the consent of others when buying their entertainment products, at least when i was a kid everyone in my region seemed to enjoy the different devices irrespectively of the brand, probably because our fathers always told us that they were luxuries and that we should value what we were given (there were local economic crises every few years), and since we had like 5-10 games at most, we tended to exchange games to try the ones we couldn't  afford to buy and there was also the situation it was preferred to spent a lot of time in Arcades, and when we got older we didn't have problem switching from Nintendo to PS1, PS2 or Xbox, and from PS2 to Xbox360 or from X360 to PS3, and maybe have a sideline gba/wii/ds since they were kinda cheap; the thing that i could observe was that there were a lot of kids that were born with the PS1 and the xbox360 and some of the PS4 ones as their first consoles, that tended to be entitled, bad manered, bad mouthed spoiled brats that always kept saying the classics:

"Nintendo is for babies","Nintendo only does games for kiddies", "Nintendo games are for little girls", "PS is for adults because their games have boobs, sex, violence, drugs, guns, blood, [insert your favorite supposedly adult feature here]", "Call of Duty is the greatest game of all Time","you are a bunch of noobs you should only play CoD because it's the most realistic war game unlike [insert game to look down on here]", "Minecraft is the best game ever made, i only play Minecraft, if you play anything other than Minecraft you are a [insert your favorite insult here]".

With respect to the thread, my brother for example, used to play a lot of Gamecube and Wii, but after that he only played FIFAS occasionaly in whatever PS, Xbox console he could get his hands on mostly borrowed from friends, now that he has a son and the kid is growing he buyed him a switch, and the kid is really invested in the games, he likes kirby, Pokemon, Smash Bros, minecraft, splatoon, lego jurassic world and his father makes the most of it by also playing Zeldas, FIFA and others, since the cousins of my nephew got jealous they also got switches, so yes i guess those kids that weren't even born when the wii was out and their fathers, now count towards a new statistic when accounting for people that weren't console owners.

That is an amazing story.



Leynos said:

Switch to me is a mix of a few things. It feels to me like someone mixed the era of SNES and Saturn into one system. From the types of newer games, it gets (Octopath Traveler & Daemon X Machina) to the older game ports it gets(tons of old shmups and arcade games plus last-gen, PS2 era, and such). To some of the literal remakes from that era. (Trials of Mana and Panzer Dragoon). It's kinda everything I want in one system. I do like my PS4 a lot and have some of the same stuff but Switch is even more so plus portable.

The switch is also very fun to import games for. Saturn and PC Engine are the two best platforms to import games on since they are not the most popular systems so they are loaded with hidden gems. While Switch is very successful it's still loaded with hidden gems you can import. So for me, this system kinda has it all for me. I don't think a whole lot about the Nintendo IPs themselves but what few I do have interest in have been great.

Agreed, i have three collections of Games: Saturn, Pc Engine and Neo Geo AES. The rest, likewise other system before Switch, I sell all. 

PC engine and Saturn are the hidden gem for shumps old arcades ports. Switch become the third best now. And you can play on vertical is a genius move. 



Leynos said:

Switch to me is a mix of a few things. It feels to me like someone mixed the era of SNES and Saturn into one system. From the types of newer games, it gets (Octopath Traveler & Daemon X Machina) to the older game ports it gets(tons of old shmups and arcade games plus last-gen, PS2 era, and such). To some of the literal remakes from that era. (Trials of Mana and Panzer Dragoon). It's kinda everything I want in one system. I do like my PS4 a lot and have some of the same stuff but Switch is even more so plus portable.

The switch is also very fun to import games for. Saturn and PC Engine are the two best platforms to import games on since they are not the most popular systems so they are loaded with hidden gems. While Switch is very successful it's still loaded with hidden gems you can import. So for me, this system kinda has it all for me. I don't think a whole lot about the Nintendo IPs themselves but what few I do have interest in have been great.

I also feel like the Switch has a lot of Wii DNA in it too.

The split Joycons with motion controls kinda feel like a wireless Wiimote + Nunchuk. Both launched with an epic crossgen Zelda adventure. Stuff like Ring Fit Adventure and LABO mirror the kind of experimental blue ocean software Nintendo made during the Wii era. Both systems are built around combining new ways to play with easy-to-pick-up-and-play accessibility.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 09 February 2021

I guess that switch ass everyone initially thought as cheezy actually worked. I can picture a lot of adults who bought the console, non gamers for nostalgia and to have mates over for some fun.



Dahum said:

I applaud Nintendo and the Switch for its runaway success.

I hope it goes past the PS2 since that will means that console gaming is thriving and expanding and i’m all here for it.

COVID-19 coupled with the perfectly timed release of Animal Crossing was a lightning in a bottle moment and it made almost everyone around the globe either interested or at least aware of console gaming because of quarantine.

I wonder how much of this is just that, a lightning in a bottle. Like the Wii. When the pandemic eventually recedes, will these people keep buying games or will they return to their former activities and leave the Switch gathering dust?