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IcaroRibeiro said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

You just made a fantastic argument for why nobody should care about phones at all. They cost a ton of money and are obsolete and worthless in such a fast amount of time.

mZuzek said:

I don't even know who you're talking about, but like...

That's not how it works, at all.

I spent probably more than R$6000 on my PC. Don't know what that is in dollars, probably close to $1000 at this point given how ridiculous the exchange rate is getting. That doesn't mean I have money to spend on other things. Me having spent that much on a PC doesn't make me rich, it just shows that I thought having a good PC was worth that level of investment. It took me a whole year to buy all the parts and finish it.

Sure I could afford a console with that money I spent on the PC, but I could not afford a console after buying the PC. Would've then had to save up for another several months for that (though not really, because covid killed my income, but that's beside the point). And from that point on, even if I had the money, do I really want it?

Personally, I kinda want a PS4 or PS5 for their exclusives. Makes me think about saving up to get one, but when I look at the price, that's it really. For that money I can, and should, instead be getting other things that are far more important for my life, for example a new guitar. Another console just isn't enticing enough in this situation. For a lot of people, the $500 phone is more enticing, because they use their phone that much. And I mean, if the phone costs that much, I'm willing to bet it probably could run more advanced games than a Switch can.

It's just such a stupid argument for exclusivity. I can afford a PS4 if I save up enough. But I don't want to. Am I wrong to want the ability to play a PS4 game on a system I already own? That's ridiculous, honestly. I understand why exclusives exist and that they likely will remain exclusives, it is what it is. But I would much rather they not be exclusives, for obvious reasons.

And to take things a step further still... I'm currently replaying Astral Chain on my Switch. It's such a good game, I love it. But you know what I'd love a lot more? If I could play it at 1080p 60fps on my PC. It's totally jarring going from a mid-level PC to the Switch, being thrown right back into the world of 30fps and crappy resolutions. The game still looks and plays beautiful, better than most on the Switch, but I can't help but want to play it at much better quality than this. Exclusivity here is the only reason I can't.

Well, I can't afford to play both MTG and buy up a ton of videogames. So should I go complain that MTG prices need to drop, or that videogame prices need to drop? We all have far more things we want in life than we can afford. Even if we have all the money in the world, we still can't consume every single piece of media out there. Our time has a limit just like our money. Everybody has to choose one thing over another eventually. If you choose to spend a massive chunk of your income on one thing, you can't complain about another thing costing a much smaller chunk of your income. It's like wearing gold jewelry from head to toe, and then trying to haggle with the price of a shirt at the mall.




Impossible in our current life. Unlike USA most Brazilians only started using internet thanks to mobile phones. Meaning some people doesn't know how to use SNS or even write emails without a smartphone. Mom herself often get lost browsing on PCs. 

Then you ask me, "ok but you can ignore smartphones and go to PC". I could... 3 or 4 years ago and believe me I did. However nowadays mobile apps are the main digital channel for us. Let's ignore using SNS and using streaming services I can easily replace (even though listening to music would be hard without one), here are things a mobile will provide me other devices won't:

- My digital documents are all on the phone (and it is much more practical and safe than carrying them with me)

- Information regarding my health assurance is all on the cell phone, the website sucks hard and I would be restricted if not at home. Same goes to control of credit card, energy and water bills

- Families, friends and coworkers mostly use mobile apps to chat. I remember when I've started college and for one year I was the only one without a smartphone, it was painful 

- Official state digital registrations are increasingly being made exclusively through apps, since everyone here has a cell phone but not everyone has a PC

- I use my mobile to confirm my identity and have access to my digital workspace 

- I use my mobile to manage my daily/weekly schedule, eating plan and my purchases on the go

Console games are a hobby, I can survive without one, but without a cellphone my life would be significantly less comfortable and practical. The sole reason I don't own a PS4 is because I was mugged two times in the last 4 years (this and the fact when I finally could save money I choose a Switch, but that's another story), hence I owned 3 different cellphones in the said 4 years instead of a PS4 and I don't regret it

Well maybe regret the fact I was mugged, but not my choice 

Damn. Sounds to me like the mobile phone market has Brazil by the balls. In that case you are absolutely right, that people in your country absolutely need a phone. It's a truth that I find mind blowingly disgusting, because I'm sure you guys have enough problems without needing to have an expensive phone to basically survive.



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freebs2 said:
curl-6 said:

Exclusives also help grow a system's userbase which results in it getting healthier software support, so they're a good thing in that way as well.

In that sense, exclusives help certain hadrware manifacturers to grow their userbase. Exclusivity doesn't help the market as a whole to grow larger and healthier, actually it could be argued the opposite. Going by the assumption that every gamer has a limited budget, by forcing to buy multiple system to access all games you're actually deminishing the value of the game software market (number of gamers * thier budget), so it actually hurts developers of non-exclusive game titles.

On the other hand, exclusivity is beneficial for game studios that make the exclusive title, since they get a co-marketing push from the platform manifacturer.

Exclusivity can only be beneficial for customers if exclusive games are designed to take great advantage of platform specific features; that was the case of games designed for the Wii or DS, but imo it doesn't apply very much to the Switch or to PS4 vs Xbox One. It can make sense for next gen games that require processing capabilites above what was avaliable on older gen systems.

Looking at games released in 2020, the only one that really can fit into that category was Half Life Alyx, probably.

If a game is Switch exclusive and helps move Switch hardware and grow the userbase, then that benefits me and others like me as Switch owners because then we get more games to play on our platform of choice.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 23 January 2021

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Cerebralbore101 said:

Also, I'd like to remind people that exclusives wouldn't exist if they weren't exclusive. The best games of the generation are always made by Sony and Nintendo. After CDPR screwing up that has become even more apparent. Sony/Nintendo pump far more money into their exclusive games than normal, because they count on making the money back by selling extra hardware, and then raking in 3rd party royalty fees on software. Sure, they take a hit on the hardware sale, but royalty fees more than make up for it.

Edit: Actually Nintendo makes money on hardware too. :D

In your opinion.

In my opinion the best games of the generation are typically made by Rockstar, and aren't exclusive.



IcaroRibeiro said:

I don't know how it is in USA, but here any phone costing less than 300 USD becomes useless after 1 year of system software updates, Android phones are so bad that even the most basic apps like Facebook and WhatsApp turns to be leg and bug after just a few months. Browsing in internet becomes a hell as webpages demands more and more cache and your mobile storage only degrades 

Then you ask why not buy a iPhone that can last some 4  or 5 years? Well, because those cost 1500 to 2000 USD. And yes, I'm not kidding

To me that sounds like some kind of investigation is needed. If it isn't already illegal then making phones crap out after a year definitely should be!

I've personally had no issues using old, or even 2nd hand, phones either in Japan or the UK. Sure, you can't play some games (never tried Pokemon Go for example since I've never had a phone that could run it), but all of the essential stuff works fine.



Ka-pi96 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Also, I'd like to remind people that exclusives wouldn't exist if they weren't exclusive. The best games of the generation are always made by Sony and Nintendo. After CDPR screwing up that has become even more apparent. Sony/Nintendo pump far more money into their exclusive games than normal, because they count on making the money back by selling extra hardware, and then raking in 3rd party royalty fees on software. Sure, they take a hit on the hardware sale, but royalty fees more than make up for it.

Edit: Actually Nintendo makes money on hardware too. :D

In your opinion.

In my opinion the best games of the generation are typically made by Rockstar, and aren't exclusive.

Well, game awards and critics tend to agree with me so...



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

In your opinion.

In my opinion the best games of the generation are typically made by Rockstar, and aren't exclusive.

Well, game awards and critics tend to agree with me so...

A bunch of opinions regardless of who they're from are still just opinions so... don't pretend they're facts.



Ka-pi96 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Well, game awards and critics tend to agree with me so...

A bunch of opinions regardless of who they're from are still just opinions so... don't pretend they're facts.

Not all opinions are created equal. The general critic consensus is that Sony/Nintendo make the best games of the generation. Don't get me wrong, RDR2 should stand shoulder to shoulder with Sony/Nintendo games, but that's just one game.



Ka-pi96 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Well, game awards and critics tend to agree with me so...

A bunch of opinions regardless of who they're from are still just opinions so... don't pretend they're facts.

If you're gonna make such an argument, at least name a quality studio that does more than one title per generation ...



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Ka-pi96 said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

I don't know how it is in USA, but here any phone costing less than 300 USD becomes useless after 1 year of system software updates, Android phones are so bad that even the most basic apps like Facebook and WhatsApp turns to be leg and bug after just a few months. Browsing in internet becomes a hell as webpages demands more and more cache and your mobile storage only degrades 

Then you ask why not buy a iPhone that can last some 4  or 5 years? Well, because those cost 1500 to 2000 USD. And yes, I'm not kidding

To me that sounds like some kind of investigation is needed. If it isn't already illegal then making phones crap out after a year definitely should be!

I've personally had no issues using old, or even 2nd hand, phones either in Japan or the UK. Sure, you can't play some games (never tried Pokemon Go for example since I've never had a phone that could run it), but all of the essential stuff works fine.

Sure, you can keep or mobile for 2 even 3 years if you only use it to make calls and use Facebook, WhatsApp and so on

The question is those phones are releases here months, perhaps over a year, after the release elsewhere. Android phones has a very high planned obsolescence, the hardware is not make to survive more than 3 years with the software and system updates, besides the hardware itself degrades quickly 

3 years of planned insolence - 1 year of delay to launch the model = Less then two years of effective service life before your phone becomes crappy

I'm of course of course talking about the cheap models, the ones we can buy for 150-200 USD. Better phones (~400k USD+) can do just fine more years because the hardware is powerful enough to survive the system updates. Mine was roughly 450k USD and after 28 months still pretty useful even if the battery is not as good as before 



Cerebralbore101 said:
Ka-pi96 said:

A bunch of opinions regardless of who they're from are still just opinions so... don't pretend they're facts.

Not all opinions are created equal. The general critic consensus is that Sony/Nintendo make the best games of the generation. Don't get me wrong, RDR2 should stand shoulder to shoulder with Sony/Nintendo games, but that's just one game.

So then you should have said they make (some of) the most highly rated games. Then you'd have facts to back it up.

Because "best games" is purely subjective.

Last edited by Ka-pi96 - on 23 January 2021