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My Countries Education System Teaches our history accurately.

Strongly Agree 14 24.56%
 
Somewhat Agree 18 31.58%
 
Neutral 7 12.28%
 
Somewhat Disagree 11 19.30%
 
Strongly Disagree 7 12.28%
 
Total:57
SvennoJ said:

Raised in the Netherlands, and nope not accurate.

The 17th century was glorified, the golden age, the amazing East India Company. Not much about the Dutch practically starting the slave trade in Africa, Khoikhoi massacre, creating Apartheid and the things they did in Indonesia, like the 1740 Batavia massacre and as recent as the 1947 Rawagede massacre. We did get to learn about the bad things France, Spain and the UK did.

WW2 did get a lot of attention, all the bad things the Germans did at least. The USA was painted in the best possible light, USSR the worst possible, We learned hardly anything about Eastern Europe, everything behind the iron curtain was simply a blank.

That is really interesting, if the VOC was an American entity it would for sure be glorified in our history. The largest corporation in world history sounds pretty cool, but I am glad you acknowledge all the terrible things that came with that.



 

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Ka-pi96 said:
PDF said:

What about colonialism, or relatively more modern international intervention like the Iranian Coup?

I don't really remember much colonial stuff. There might have been some, but if there was it was minimal. Absolutely nothing at all after WW2 though.

That is fascinating to me because England had an incredible impact on the world through colonization. Some good but a lot of bad.

I wonder if the mindset is after the various countries became independent, their origins while under British rule is not seen as part of English history anymore but as the history of the current country.  We learn about being colonized and it used to be all positive but in recent times there has been a better focus on the genocide of the Native Americans that occurred. 



 

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PDF said:
Ka-pi96 said:

I don't really remember much colonial stuff. There might have been some, but if there was it was minimal. Absolutely nothing at all after WW2 though.

That is fascinating to me because England had an incredible impact on the world through colonization. Some good but a lot of bad.

I wonder if the mindset is after the various countries became independent, their origins while under British rule is not seen as part of English history anymore but as the history of the current country.  We learn about being colonized and it used to be all positive but in recent times there has been a better focus on the genocide of the Native Americans that occurred. 

I dunno, I'd assume it's more to do with time than anything else. ie. they only have so much time to teach it, and there's only so much that they can put on the test, so they just pick and choose the bits to focus on.

The colonial period would be interesting, although it'd be kind of hard to do it as an overall topic. You probably would need to focus on a specific country or area.

Although if they were to change things and add more I'd rather they focus on the origins of England. Seems pretty silly to me that there's basically nothing about the Anglo-Saxon migration to England, the viking invasions and the rise of Alfred the Great as the 1st king of England.



LittleSnake said:

As an Australian, no. Our education system sucks, they didn't even teach geography! 

I learnt geography was a high school unit lol



 

 

PDF said:
SvennoJ said:

Raised in the Netherlands, and nope not accurate.

The 17th century was glorified, the golden age, the amazing East India Company. Not much about the Dutch practically starting the slave trade in Africa, Khoikhoi massacre, creating Apartheid and the things they did in Indonesia, like the 1740 Batavia massacre and as recent as the 1947 Rawagede massacre. We did get to learn about the bad things France, Spain and the UK did.

WW2 did get a lot of attention, all the bad things the Germans did at least. The USA was painted in the best possible light, USSR the worst possible, We learned hardly anything about Eastern Europe, everything behind the iron curtain was simply a blank.

That is really interesting, if the VOC was an American entity it would for sure be glorified in our history. The largest corporation in world history sounds pretty cool, but I am glad you acknowledge all the terrible things that came with that.

I always wondered why apartheid was such a Dutch sounding word, never having got anything about South Africa in school in the past. We heard about Nelson Mandela, but nothing about the back story. Next to that, my mother was a refugee from Indonesia when she was 4 years old. Her mother is born Indonesian, her father was a Dutch railway worker on Java. Their first born (before my mother) died of malnutrition in a Japanese concentration camp. My grandmother never talked about that but it had a severe impact on their lives until her death. I never knew the background of Indonesia from school, only how the VOC got all the great spices from there.

So yeah, I knew there were serious gaps in the history we got in school. Focusing a lot on Greece, Romans, medieval times, the 17th century, Naval battles the Dutch won against the British and WW1 a bit, a lot of WW2, cold war, the end. The cold war was still going when I was in school.

It leads to things like, why is Suriname asking for an apology. Never heard of that place in school... Suriname was a lot on the news though, about the Tamil tigers, painted more as terrorists, guerilla warfare.

Look at that, about time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/10/world/europe/amsterdam-considers-apology-for-slavery-in-former-colony.html

It's getting addressed now. maybe it will still end up in the school history books as well
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/10/netherlands-rijksmuseum-exhibition-to-tell-story-of-dutch-slave-trade



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curl-6 said:

Australia here.

In school I was taught nearly nothing about the country's violent colonial past including both the genocide of most of the indigenous population and the "stolen generation" just a few decades ago when huge numbers of native children were removed from their parents and placed in white foster homes to try to erase their culture.

They basically make it sound as though the British takeover of the country was peaceful.

Did you go to a Government school or Private?

We learnt the violent history. 



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
curl-6 said:

Australia here.

In school I was taught nearly nothing about the country's violent colonial past including both the genocide of most of the indigenous population and the "stolen generation" just a few decades ago when huge numbers of native children were removed from their parents and placed in white foster homes to try to erase their culture.

They basically make it sound as though the British takeover of the country was peaceful.

Did you go to a Government school or Private?

We learnt the violent history. 

Rural public school.



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Switzerland here, it's okayish. For example, the whole "being neutral" part is glorified, while the fact that we pretty much stole money and gold from dead jews is often neclected.

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I'm from Spain. I would say story is fairly accurate in school and high-school. Even our best moment, from 1500 to 1700 (roughly) is usually taught in a very critical way in order to also explain our eventual downfall.. And books make sure to teach that we brutally slaughtered and enslaved the native americans during the whole America thing.

From 1700s to recent story is all downhill, so it's fairly difficult to say something good about us. It's a trainwreck until this very day.



Zkuq said:

First, I'm Finnish. Now the question.

Everything I can remember seems accurate enough. I can't remember all the older things because it's been a long time since they were taught to me, so I can't really say much about them, but I don't expect many controversies there either (with the possible exception of how the Sámi people were treated).

Yep, we are such a tiny nation that we have pretty much just been getting shafted by our neighbors Sweden and Russia throughout our history.

We did ally with Germany for a while in WWII, we had our own reasons for it and it's always been openly discussed.

Then there was the civil war, I'm under the impression that the atrocities committed between fellow finns had been somewhat downplayed for a long time, until we were ready to talk about them more openly.

The thing is, human history has been universally shitty, every nation has done horrific things to someone and we should just be glad that we have come such a long way. And there's still a long road ahead.