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TomaTito on 24 November 2020
JRPGfan said:

I am.

Tbh the triggered people are the ones that reply like you do.
People should be allowed to question, sources if theres issues with reporting.

the fact that everyone is quick to jump onto a bandwagon and go "DF isnt baised, anyone that says so is", and post meme's or tries to make fun of people, instead of debateing the issue (when I actually replied with stuff thats questionable).

I honestly think what your doing is worse.

same with this...

Instead of debateing, you mock people.
And post meme's... and no one wants to see pics of a dead cow that was strangled to death by barbwire.

All is in the eye of the beholder:

That cow is just eating the grass on the other side that is tastier than what is on its side.



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JRPGfan on 24 November 2020
TomaTito said:
JRPGfan said:

I am.

Tbh the triggered people are the ones that reply like you do.
People should be allowed to question, sources if theres issues with reporting.

the fact that everyone is quick to jump onto a bandwagon and go "DF isnt baised, anyone that says so is", and post meme's or tries to make fun of people, instead of debateing the issue (when I actually replied with stuff thats questionable).

I honestly think what your doing is worse.

same with this...

Instead of debateing, you mock people.
And post meme's... and no one wants to see pics of a dead cow that was strangled to death by barbwire.

All is in the eye of the beholder:

That cow is just eating the grass on the other side that is tastier than what is on its side.

Its a dead cow.... it had a grusom death.

"all is in the eye of the beholder"

No its not, you litterally quoted my entire debate points (when someone asked me why I think DF was biased).
Then cut it out (ignored it), and instead of debateing the points in it.
You mocked with a meme.

Thats pretty darn clear cut.



DonFerrari on 24 November 2020
JRPGfan said:
TomaTito said:

...

I am.

Tbh the triggered people are the ones that reply like you do.
People should be allowed to question, sources if theres issues with reporting.

the fact that everyone is quick to jump onto a bandwagon and go "DF isnt baised, anyone that says so is", and post meme's or tries to make fun of people, instead of debateing the issue (when I actually replied with stuff thats questionable).

I honestly think what your doing is worse.

same with this...

TomaTito said:

It's always one side going against the other, and vice versa.
Just relax and play your games.

The grass is greener on the other side, right?

Instead of debateing, you mock people.
And post meme's... and no one wants to see pics of a dead cow that was strangled to death by barbwire.

The cow doesn't seem dead. The person probably took the pic before rescuing it.



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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

COKTOE on 24 November 2020
JRPGfan said:
Hynad said:

They don’t favour MS. They do some of the most fair analysis of that kind. What you call their bias is in fact yours, not theirs. Sometime, the analysis just don’t go the way you wish it did. 


My reply:

JRPGfan said:

also how come DF doesn't mention stuff like this:

or that there is a bug that sometimes hurts PS5, but its not consistant:

Cutscene that drops to 46fps, re-trested and runs 60fps same spot:


*edit:

Also Xbox Series S does support Raytraceing (DF said it didn't) (or choose not to show it).

https://www.reddit.com/r/XboxSeriesX/comments/jzsjx3/ray_tracing_is_available_on_xbox_series_s_version/

"Ray Tracing is avaible on Series S

Apparently, you need to correctly download the right file packs to get the Ray Traced shadows to appear in game. Digital Foundry incorrectly stated in their video that RT isn’t available in the Series S version, however that just isn’t true. Here’s a source for downloading the packs: https://youtu.be/Ke3cB8yJOD8

And here’s some gameplay of a mission showing Ray Traced shadows at the very beginning of the mission from the helicopter: https://youtu.be/4_0Lmt6qEKA

Compare the last video with the footage Digital Foundry had, I think it’s clear they don’t have the correct files downloaded, which would be understandable considering there’s a bug preventing someone from downloading all the files correctly (apparently). Hopefully they make a updated video, or maybe someone can tweet at them about it? Regardless Ray Tracing is there. Also, there’s also a “HD Texture” pack as well that can be downloaded. If Digital Foundry checks out this thread, please download that as well. Thanks!"   -CITY_F0X

DF might not be useing HD texture pack (on one or both?), and forgot to download Raytraceing pack for the Xbox series S.

*face palm*

+

VG Tech analyseing head to head footage:

60 FPS mode:

1. XSX = Mean frame rate 60 FPS | 16.67 ms at 99.99%
2. PS5 = Mean frame rate 59.99 FPS | 16.67 ms at 99.96%

120 FPS mode:

1. XSX = Mean frame rate 114.93 FPS | 8.33 ms at 91.9%
2. PS5 = Mean frame rate 117.02 FPS | 8.33 ms at 94.15%

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CXW167MudfhuhOjscNSc8Vvs6YEuQ21dXDWkjJCpJQk/edit#gid=0


Statistically theres a 0.04% (4/100ths of a %) differnce, in which holds 60fps better.

Do you get that from watching the DF video?
Or do they cherry pick the probably only 2 instances where PS5 runs worse than the XSX in the game and show that? (which could be bug related)

You wouldn't think both run almost constant 60fps from watching the DF video.

Here is 16mins of gameplay footage with both at locked 60fps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQYpS7I_B8



Watch that and tell me if you think DF are being fair in their reporting.

Hesitated quoting this because the quote tree is so massive, but that's very interesting. I have seen people claiming bias on N4G in the past, but don't know enough about the situation to comment on it.



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DonFerrari on 24 November 2020
COKTOE said:
JRPGfan said:


My reply:


+

VG Tech analyseing head to head footage:

60 FPS mode:

1. XSX = Mean frame rate 60 FPS | 16.67 ms at 99.99%
2. PS5 = Mean frame rate 59.99 FPS | 16.67 ms at 99.96%

120 FPS mode:

1. XSX = Mean frame rate 114.93 FPS | 8.33 ms at 91.9%
2. PS5 = Mean frame rate 117.02 FPS | 8.33 ms at 94.15%

Source:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CXW167MudfhuhOjscNSc8Vvs6YEuQ21dXDWkjJCpJQk/edit#gid=0


Statistically theres a 0.04% (4/100ths of a %) differnce, in which holds 60fps better.

Do you get that from watching the DF video?
Or do they cherry pick the probably only 2 instances where PS5 runs worse than the XSX in the game and show that? (which could be bug related)

You wouldn't think both run almost constant 60fps from watching the DF video.

Here is 16mins of gameplay footage with both at locked 60fps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoQYpS7I_B8



Watch that and tell me if you think DF are being fair in their reporting.

Hesitated quoting this because the quote tree is so massive, but that's very interesting. I have seen people claiming bias on N4G in the past, but don't know enough about the situation to comment on it.

To give the spreadsheet; You see that the advantage was marginal (and VGTech tested the same areas and seem like before a patch it was always 60fps, after patch it can drop some times, so that advantage may not really exist to Xbox). But when watching the videos when Xbox is coming behind it is justification time, when PS is coming behind it is "it is weaker so expected". For me that is they coping with their own preconceived notion that Xbox is stronger and trying to explain the game not showing it like a cognitive dissonance.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Hynad on 24 November 2020
JRPGfan said:
TomaTito said:

All is in the eye of the beholder:

That cow is just eating the grass on the other side that is tastier than what is on its side.

Its a dead cow.... it had a grusom death.

LOL! Hard not to mock someone when he sees a cow standing on its back legs, with its neck still held strongly above ground and think it died a “gruesome death”. xD If it was dead, the wire wouldn’t be strong enough to hold the weight of the cow one feet above ground like that.



JRPGfan on 24 November 2020
Hynad said:
JRPGfan said:

Its a dead cow.... it had a grusom death.

LOL! Hard not to mock someone when he sees a cow standing on its back legs, with its neck still held strongly above ground and think it died a “gruesome death”. xD If it was dead, the wire wouldn’t be strong enough to hold the weight of the cow one feet above ground like that.

I dont know animals... what can I say? its eyes are closed, its tongue is outta its mouth and it appears to be resting its face on the grass.
After looking at it more, yes, I agree with your point, its probably not dead.

And yes I seriously thought it was dead, when I first saw that pic.

*also to be fair to DF:

1) they say they did download the Raytraceing package for the XSS, but it doesnt show the option to use it in game for them.
2) They actually came out and commented on the performance drops the PS5 had, saying it could be a bug.

The instances they showed where it drops in video on the PS5 side, but not on the XSX, could actually be this bug.
Potentially a thing a patch can fix, if its not something thats "always" there, but just randomly pops up from time to time.



sethnintendo on 24 November 2020

Well at least Nintendo got out of the arms race so now Microsoft and Sony fans can just battle it out on the internet. Have to say console wars are probably the most dorky and pansy wars ever "fought" on this planet. Well maybe Star Wars vs Star Trek might take the icing on the cake.



DonFerrari on 24 November 2020
sethnintendo said:

Well at least Nintendo got out of the arms race so now Microsoft and Sony fans can just battle it out on the internet. Have to say console wars are probably the most dorky and pansy wars ever "fought" on this planet. Well maybe Star Wars vs Star Trek might take the icing on the cake.

Don't kid yourself, there are still plenty of Nintendo console warriors.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kirby007 on 24 November 2020

Hehehehehehehehehe



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