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Both consoles sold out, so if they had more stock it would be more. Even Xbox would have been higher. I think they're doing lotteries for both systems.



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Acevil said:
I would say pretty bad Supply and pretty bad launch numbers. People can slice this anyway they want, these are not great numbers.

Software is the most concerning part.

We all knew hardware would be bad but current software sales paint a dire picture.
Even if you are generous with digital sales.



Marth said:
Acevil said:
I would say pretty bad Supply and pretty bad launch numbers. People can slice this anyway they want, these are not great numbers.

Software is the most concerning part.

We all knew hardware would be bad but current software sales paint a dire picture.
Even if you are generous with digital sales.

I agree, namely when 88% favorable to disc versions of the console. 



 

Marth said:
SKMBlake said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
SKMBlake said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
So confirmation that neither company prioritized Japan very highly for launch shipments. Not that you can really blame them much since it isn't their strongest market, but a especially for Playstation this a big step down, compared to the PS4 debut at nearly 3 times as much.

Yes, and no

The PS4 launched in February 2014 in Japan, 3 months after the initial worldwide launch --> more units available at launch.

I'm aware of that but it doesn't change the numbers. Sure since they weren't focusing on launching everywhere else at the time it was easier to allocate more stock to Japan, but its not like they couldn't have shipped 300k to Japan this time if they made that a priority. They just decided to focus their initial shipments elsewhere (probably mainly the US).

That's for my "yes" part.

My "no" part is that is not a huge step down from the PS4", it's a global launch all around the world and the console was sold out within 2 hours worldwide, they sold everything they could potentially produce and sell. So yeah, Japan should've have more units perhaps, but that doesn't say much about the actual trends.

"global"

We all know there is no other countries in the world



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Sogreblute said:
Both consoles sold out, so if they had more stock it would be more. Even Xbox would have been higher. I think they're doing lotteries for both systems.

Yep both were, not sure how much demand were for the lottery tickets for Xbox since no one talked over it on the resetera thread, but anedoctal two people were talking about themselves or close relatives and one had 5 and the other 50 tickets and neither got sorted to buy a PS5.

Marth said:
Acevil said:
I would say pretty bad Supply and pretty bad launch numbers. People can slice this anyway they want, these are not great numbers.

Software is the most concerning part.

We all knew hardware would be bad but current software sales paint a dire picture.
Even if you are generous with digital sales.

One of the suppositions (and it makes sense) is that to many of these systems were bought by scalpers, so people that didn't secure a console had no reason to buy the SW, also they could have bought the PS4 version and get access to it on 2 systems.



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SKMBlake said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
SKMBlake said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
So confirmation that neither company prioritized Japan very highly for launch shipments. Not that you can really blame them much since it isn't their strongest market, but a especially for Playstation this a big step down, compared to the PS4 debut at nearly 3 times as much.

Yes, and no

The PS4 launched in February 2014 in Japan, 3 months after the initial worldwide launch --> more units available at launch.

I'm aware of that but it doesn't change the numbers. Sure since they weren't focusing on launching everywhere else at the time it was easier to allocate more stock to Japan, but its not like they couldn't have shipped 300k to Japan this time if they made that a priority. They just decided to focus their initial shipments elsewhere (probably mainly the US).

That's for my "yes" part.

My "no" part is that is not a huge step down from the PS4", it's a global launch all around the world and the console was sold out within 2 hours worldwide, they sold everything they could potentially produce and sell. So yeah, Japan should've have more units perhaps, but that doesn't say much about the actual trends.

Well, I'd say that depends also on the worldwide sales figures.

If those can't keep up with the PS4 sales figures, then it's most certainly a big step down. If the PS5 however outsells the PS4 week over week by a fair margin, then the argument can be made that it's not a step down.



DonFerrari said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
DonFerrari said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
SKMBlake said:
UnderwaterFunktown said:
So confirmation that neither company prioritized Japan very highly for launch shipments. Not that you can really blame them much since it isn't their strongest market, but a especially for Playstation this a big step down, compared to the PS4 debut at nearly 3 times as much.

Yes, and no

The PS4 launched in February 2014 in Japan, 3 months after the initial worldwide launch --> more units available at launch.

I'm aware of that but it doesn't change the numbers. Sure since they weren't focusing on launching everywhere else at the time it was easier to allocate more stock to Japan, but its not like they couldn't have shipped 300k to Japan this time if they made that a priority. They just decided to focus their initial shipments elsewhere (probably mainly the US).

If we put in perspective, PS4 Japan 1st week would be 0, and would remain 0 for 3 months. So PS5 having over 100k for first week shows a lot more priority was given compared to gen 8.

Considering limited manufacturing capability for launch (because we know the launch numbers would be equivalent to several months of regular months, plus there is holiday) you won't setup your manufacturing capabilities for something that would be higher than the necessary for the months after launch. And even if you stockpile prior to launch, well that is another problem because if Sony instead of let's say 2.5M consoles wanted 5M consoles ready for launch so nowhere would be sold out on launch and started to produce 2 or 3 months earlier to achieve that, it would mean going from 1.25B in inventory to 2.5B and that is a lot of iddle money.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly. I'll agree that they arguably downprioritized Japan moreso with the PS4 since they straight up delayed the launch back then, but I think the 0 for 3 months thing is a bit of a distorted comparison.

It isn't a distorted comparison. You tried to spin the sales as the sales not being good on the 1st week compared to PS4 and also that Sony is prioritizing Japan less. When my post demonstrated that Sony is prioritizing more and why they don't have as much inventory to set to Japan (they have to supply plenty other countries compared to PS4 that when they launched in Japan it could receive most of the available inventory because other countries were already launched).

"Sales not being good on the 1st week compared to PS4" - Yes, I was pointing that out. I wouldn't call it much of a "spin" to say that 118k is a step down from 320k though.

"Sony is prioritizing Japan less" - I haven't said that they prioritized it less compared to the PS4. Actually releasing it on time this time around it certainly an improvement. I do think 118k shows they're not prioritizing the Japan market very highly though, especially considering it was one of 7 (I think?) launch countries.

What I meant by distorted comparison was simply that a delayed launch is a different approach altogether and I don't think it makes sense to line it up directly like that, but I get the point you were trying to make.

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UnderwaterFunktown said:
DonFerrari said:

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly. I'll agree that they arguably downprioritized Japan moreso with the PS4 since they straight up delayed the launch back then, but I think the 0 for 3 months thing is a bit of a distorted comparison.

It isn't a distorted comparison. You tried to spin the sales as the sales not being good on the 1st week compared to PS4 and also that Sony is prioritizing Japan less. When my post demonstrated that Sony is prioritizing more and why they don't have as much inventory to set to Japan (they have to supply plenty other countries compared to PS4 that when they launched in Japan it could receive most of the available inventory because other countries were already launched).

"Sales not being good on the 1st week compared to PS4" - Yes, I was pointing that out. I wouldn't call it much of a "spin" to say that 118k is a step down from 320k though.

"Sony is prioritizing Japan less" - I haven't said that they prioritized it less compared to the PS4. Actually releasing it on time this time around it certainly an improvement. I do think 118k shows they're not prioritizing the Japan market very highly though, especially considering it was one of 7 (I think?) launch countries.

What I meant by distorted comparison was simply that a delayed launch is a different approach altogether and I don't think it makes sense to line it up directly like that, but I get the point you were trying to make.

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Yes it is a spin to just compare 118k to 320k without considering any context.

Yes it is a wrong assumption to say it isn't prioritizing the Japan market very highly when you don't have numbers from any other place at all. When you have the numbers, and compare to total sale of PS4 on those countries, plus how good did MS on first week on those countries and compare and see that Japan got shafted then you can make your conclusion. Sony isn't going to produce over 1M consoles in 1 week, so the consoles for the launch in other countries would enter in the count as well.

You say it doesn't make sense to line it up directly, but then that is exactly what you done.

Have no idea what your "Add to phrasebook" is supposed to mean though.



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The PS5 is too big for Japanese gamers.

Last edited by okr - on 18 November 2020