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What kind of support system will Sony have in place for repeat offenders that comes from bad homes and add a very hard life that led to poor live choice and what if they never had the proper family and support system? How will they prevent selected recording that a bully can start a new chat and record the victim after they take revenge on said cyberbully. Will Sony have all conversation from the victim and the accused to make the right call and determined if a crime really occurred. Will they have access to more then just the incriminating clip? Does Sony now have power of God when it come to handing judgment and bans?

Which words, saying and comment can no longer be said legally under the Sony rule of law? What will be consider an offense to the Sony censorship program? How long will your term be if found guilty?🤔 

Last edited by yvanjean - on 17 October 2020

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yvanjean said:

What kind of support system will Sony have in place for repeat offenders that comes from bad homes and add a very hard life that led to poor live choice and what if they never had the proper family and support system? How will they prevent selected recording that a bully can start a new chat and record the victim after they take revenge on said cyberbully. Will Sony have all conversation from the victim and the accused to make the right call and determined if a crime really occurred. Will they have access to more then just the incriminating clip? Does Sony now have power of God when it come to handing judgment and bans?

Which words, saying and comment can no longer be said legally under the Sony rule of law? What will be consider an offense to the Sony censorship program? How long will your term be if found guilty?🤔 

It'll probably be something similar to when Microsoft evaluate reports from party chat. Don't you think?



This feels pretty pointless considering it's party chat, you either invite someone to your party chat or you get invited, unless you join via friend list and it's unlocked. So chances are, you're in a party with friends and rarely strangers. So imo it's pretty bad taste to report your friend Bob if he says all kinds of crap if you've lost your 10th Warzone match in a row. That's why you're in a party chat venting with friends rather than the public lobby. I missed the good old days of the MW2 lobby...



Replicant said:
yvanjean said:

What kind of support system will Sony have in place for repeat offenders that comes from bad homes and add a very hard life that led to poor live choice and what if they never had the proper family and support system? How will they prevent selected recording that a bully can start a new chat and record the victim after they take revenge on said cyberbully. Will Sony have all conversation from the victim and the accused to make the right call and determined if a crime really occurred. Will they have access to more then just the incriminating clip? Does Sony now have power of God when it come to handing judgment and bans?

Which words, saying and comment can no longer be said legally under the Sony rule of law? What will be consider an offense to the Sony censorship program? How long will your term be if found guilty?🤔 

It'll probably be something similar to when Microsoft evaluate reports from party chat. Don't you think?

Not sure, probable more similar to how Kinect 2.0 was used as a spying hardware by the US government 😏 too bad for them it never really sold and got into every home 🏡.



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Zkuq said:

The other thread about this was... deleted, I guess, since I can't find it anywhere? Just to give this a more positive spin or what's up?

The previous thread was locked, as it generated a lot of misinformation. That this update meant that Sony is recording you and listening in on you was not a different spin, but straight up false.
(You can still find locked threads through your My Posts feature.)

Misinformation that people including yourself perpetuated.
You added a follow up post with a clarification eventually, which is good, but a lot of people don't read every comment, let alone the opening post. And the opening post was the main problem. So keeping that thread open would lead to a lot more comments based on a misunderstanding.

You can spin it any way you want in here, as long as you understand how it works.
You could always record things on PS4. So this isn't something new. It's just an easier way for people to report abuse.

Zkuq said:

Anyway, I still consider this a privacy invasion since it's not really opt-in. I mean, it's opt-in in the sense that you can use the console without Sony getting to hear your voice, but it's not really opt-in in the sense that to guarantee your voice not getting heard by Sony, you have to give up on something that doesn't really 
need to record your voice. It's not a terrible privacy invasion, but I still don't consider it even close to being worth the trade-off.

You opt-in to not be abusive and toxic in the community when you sign the terms of use.

As you do essentially anywhere. And any moderately sized community needs a moderation system. Which is why any member can submit anything you've said on this forum for moderator review.
Do you consider that an invasion of privacy as well, or would that only be if it involved your voice instead of just text?

Either way, just like anywhere on the internet, if you don't want what you've said to be seen/heard by anyone else, your only option really is to not participate.
Anyone can record/save what you've said.

But I have to wonder who would be concerned about this? If you get reported in Patry chat, that means you're so unbearable that even your friends report you to the authorities, or you have shitty friends.
Or alternatively, if you're chatting with strangers, do you say things you need to be worried about others hearing?
If the issue is simply "a stranger hearing your voice", then why are you ok with all the strangers in the Party chat hearing your voice?

Because if they're not strangers, then you're not going to get reported.

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yvanjean said:
Replicant said:

It'll probably be something similar to when Microsoft evaluate reports from party chat. Don't you think?

Not sure, probable more similar to how Kinect 2.0 was used as a spying hardware by the US government 😏 too bad for them it never really sold and got into every home 🏡.

Let's take it easy with the conspiracy theories that have nothing to do with the update, because it leads to misunderstandings.
If there's evidence, then that's fine. Until then, let's stick to discussing the details of the feature, like your second post.

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yvanjean said:
Replicant said:

It'll probably be something similar to when Microsoft evaluate reports from party chat. Don't you think?

Not sure, probable more similar to how Kinect 2.0 was used as a spying hardware by the US government 😏 too bad for them it never really sold and got into every home 🏡.

They didn't need just Kinect. Microsoft recorded and listened to Xbox gamers, Cortana and Skype calls- and gave those recordings to outside third party vendors to work with.

It comes after Vice news revealed that it had been recording and listening to the private conversations of gamers - many of whom were children - as far back as 2014. 

Many customers were unaware of the practice.

It had previously been reported that Microsoft workers listened to some Skype calls as well as audio recorded by Cortana, its virtual assistant.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49435837

The recordings included private conversations such as people talking intimately to loved ones and others apparently discussing relationship problems.

Microsofts privacy statement says data may be shared "with vendors working on our behalf".

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xweqbq/microsoft-contractors-listen-to-skype-calls



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ice said:
Here’s a tip for people, leave the party and block said user If you’re that upset lol No need to waste Sony’s time

Nah, reporting and getting racists, sexists, raging assholes, ignorants and other stupid people that plague the voice communications in games is better 😉



 

yvanjean said:
Replicant said:

It'll probably be something similar to when Microsoft evaluate reports from party chat. Don't you think?

Not sure, probable more similar to how Kinect 2.0 was used as a spying hardware by the US government 😏 too bad for them it never really sold and got into every home 🏡.

Nah, I'm talking about reporting someone in party chat which I've been able to do since Xbox 360 (I'm guessing it's no different on XB1).

And according to Microsoft: "After you file a complaint to report a player, it enters a dedicated queue that we monitor. We’ll investigate it and take action according to our policies."

Don't you think Sony and Microsoft evaluate reports in a similar way?
If that's the case, why do you think it's a problem on PS5 and not Xbox?
If not, how is Microsoft able to evaluate reports without reviewing what was said?



Pretty cool stuff honestly. I personally barely play online, so it won't affect me, but I have several friends who will find this useful. When you are past a certain age, you get tired fast by people constantly yelling all kind of slurs, while you just want to chill with your favorite game.



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