PS5 makes it easier to report abusive behavior in party chat

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Hiku said:

1. The previous thread was locked, as it generated a lot of misinformation. That this update meant that Sony is recording you and listening in on you was not a different spin, but straight up false.
(You can still find locked threads through your My Posts feature.)

2. Misinformation that people including yourself perpetuated.
You added a follow up post with a clarification eventually, which is good, but a lot of people don't read every comment, let alone the opening post. And the opening post was the main problem. So keeping that thread open would lead to a lot more comments based on a misunderstanding.

3. You can spin it any way you want in here, as long as you understand how it works.
You could always record things on PS4. So this isn't something new. It's just an easier way for people to report abuse.

4. You opt-in to not be abusive and toxic in the community when you sign the terms of use.

5. As you do essentially anywhere. And any moderately sized community needs a moderation system. Which is why any member can submit anything you've said on this forum for moderator review.
Do you consider that an invasion of privacy as well, or would that only be if it involved your voice instead of just text?

6. Either way, just like anywhere on the internet, if you don't want what you've said to be seen/heard by anyone else, your only option really is to not participate.
Anyone can record/save what you've said.

7. But I have to wonder who would be concerned about this? If you get reported in Patry chat, that means you're so unbearable that even your friends report you to the authorities, or you have shitty friends.
Or alternatively, if you're chatting with strangers, do you say things you need to be worried about others hearing?
If the issue is simply "a stranger hearing your voice", then why are you ok with all the strangers in the Party chat hearing your voice?

Because if they're not strangers, then you're not going to get reported.

1. Ah, I see. Thanks!

2. I sort of disagree about the claim about perpetuating any misinformation. Like you said, I added a follow-up post, in which I also said the clarification changes nothing for me. The underlying problem is the same to me regardless of the clarification, although the extent is not. So yeah, I might have worded my first post a bit more softly had I had better information in the first place, but the problem is still there. On locking the original thread, hasn't it been common here to add clarifying information in the first post instead of recreating the whole thread when clarification is needed? I'm fine either way, locking just seems out of place compared to how it's usually done - but like I said, I'm fine either way.

3. I'm not interested in any spin. If submitting voice to Sony has been a thing even on PS4, I didn't know about it, but my stance on this has been the same for a long time, so had I known about it, I would have criticized it. Sounds like submitting voice to Sony is a new thing though, but I don't particularly care whether it is: I find it problematic whether it's new or not.4

4. I agree.

5. It's the voice part that's the problem. If I write something on the internet, there's no reliable way to know my identity just from the text. Voice is much more identifying and should thus be treated much more seriously in regard to privacy. I don't object to moderation in general - it's the voice part that's the problem. It's a tough problem if you try to take privacy into account, but I find privacy much more important than proper behaviour of people.

6. At this point you can probably guess how much I participate in anything that requires my voice? I do, but I'm very careful about who I do it with and on what services I do it on.

7. Exactly! With familiar people, this whole feature is useless. With strangers, it's less of a problem because there are already certain risks, but having my voice sent to a bit corporation with a centralized place to collect the data poses an entirely different kind of a threat. No one's likely to ever identify my voice on, say, a random YouTube video unless they know what they're looking for and where from, but from Sony's servers, where it's attached to my name and other information attached to me? The YouTube videos could be annoying but not really pose much of a threat, but imagine if e.g. some nutjob took over the United States and required corporations to co-operate with the authorities to quell opposing opinions? You might (or might not) consider that a far-fetched situation, but I think any steps that might make it easier should be avoided.

That said, I'm also not a big fan of this applying to party chats. All it takes is one person who doesn't like your humour, and you might be screwed depending on how Sony enforces the rules. I can tell you my humour is definitely not politically correct in private, but in public, I would never make certain kinds of jokes to not be misinterpreted (and 'misinterpreted' is exactly the correct word - e.g 'showing true colours' is not the correct phrase because my humour doesn't really say much if anything about my actual opinions).