Its very hard to feel empathy/sympathy for this particular individual.
Its very hard to feel empathy/sympathy for this particular individual.
JWeinCom said:
The only real precautions they need are to keep everyone at least six feet apart and wear masks. And since Trump is the one with the virus, it'd be pretty simple to keep people away from him. Don't see why it would be more difficult than in any other place. Seems like it would be easier than in a hospital if anything, although it's a military hospital, and they probably have some special presidential suite or something. I really don't see any way this helps Trump. For many voters, the #1 issue is controlling Covid. And, despite whatever sympathy he may get, it's not making him look like he's competent in handling it. Obviously, they'll try to spin it to make him look better, but I don't think it will work. Especially since Trump has been really working the "sleepy joe" "low energy" "diminished" angle. Plus, Biden also has a campaign, and they will also spin, plus he's actually able to talk and reach out to people. I don't think he'll play the "Trump is weak" angle, but he'll, rightly, point out the serious threat Covid poses, that nobody is safe, and that they need leadership that is going to effectively handle the virus. Trump's handling of the Coronavirus was already his achilles heel. He doesn't need that to be the #1 issue. As for how this works, it goes by the 25th Amendment. Trump wouldn't have to step down, but he can temporarily give control to Mike Pence, and then can resume power once he is capable. They did that when Regan had to go under anesthesia for some procedures. Pence and the cabinet can also, if Trump is not willing or able to temporarily relinquish power, declare him incapacitated and assume power. I believe a supermajority of both houses can do the same thing as well. If Trump is incapacitated, Pence becomes VP. He would have to nominate a VP that would be approved by both houses, if it's expected to last for a while. If Pence becomes incapacitated, then Nancy Pelosi would become acting president. If she is incapacitated, I think it's the president protempure of the Senate.
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The more covid could potentially spread throughout the WH, the worse it would look for Trumps campaign. Taking extra precautions to make sure it doesn't spread, wouldn't be the worst idea politically. If they can keep Melania more stationary, then I can see why having her there wouldn't be that large of a concern. Keeping Don stationary seems quite unlikely, so taking him to a hospital where he'll get separated with special treatment doesn't seem ridiculous. Plus he likely wants to get well asap, and going to a hospital where his risk specifically, will be super low, isn't another terrible idea. Could potentially cause further illness, but likely not
Trump is pushing to reopen things. A big reason why not to is because of people being scared of the illness. If Trump can survive it with ease, then it will likely make people feel more comfortable going out. Users here are always saying the Prez has major influence over the people in plenty of ways. Therefore much less reason to keep things locked down while reacting so harshly every time a spike of any sort occurs. The Dems are about lockdown, Trump is about reopening. If Trump doesn't get too ill and makes a reasonable recovery, he'll no doubt point out how he fought off weak covid and still has more energy than Joe. That's almost a given.
The people who are mailing in ballots have decided already, period. The undecided won't mail until they decide or run out of time. Trump doesn't seem to want voters voting any earlier than they have to. This will likely make undecided voters wait. It can also give Trump a chance to appeal to them, especially when it comes to dealing with covid, assuming it goes well for him.
If he makes a fuss about handing things over to Pence that'll surely hurt him, but I don't think he will if he looks to become quite ill. If covid goes poorly for Trump, like he's out of commission for more than 2 weeks, it's going to be an accent of a lifetime if he can get re-eleceted.
EricHiggin said:
The more covid could potentially spread throughout the WH, the worse it would look for Trumps campaign. Taking extra precautions to make sure it doesn't spread, wouldn't be the worst idea politically. If they can keep Melania more stationary, then I can see why having her there wouldn't be that large of a concern. Keeping Don stationary seems quite unlikely, so taking him to a hospital where he'll get separated with special treatment doesn't seem ridiculous. Plus he likely wants to get well asap, and going to a hospital where his risk specifically, will be super low, isn't another terrible idea. Could potentially cause further illness, but likely not Trump is pushing to reopen things. A big reason why not to is because of people being scared of the illness. If Trump can survive it with ease, then it will likely make people feel more comfortable going out. Users here are always saying the Prez has major influence over the people in plenty of ways. Therefore much less reason to keep things locked down while reacting so harshly every time a spike of any sort occurs. The Dems are about lockdown, Trump is about reopening. If Trump doesn't get too ill and makes a reasonable recovery, he'll no doubt point out how he fought off weak covid and still has more energy than Joe. That's almost a given. The people who are mailing in ballots have decided already, period. The undecided won't mail until they decide or run out of time. Trump doesn't seem to want voters voting any earlier than they have to. This will likely make undecided voters wait. It can also give Trump a chance to appeal to them, especially when it comes to dealing with covid, assuming it goes well for him. If he makes a fuss about handing things over to Pence that'll surely hurt him, but I don't think he will if he looks to become quite ill. If covid goes poorly for Trump, like he's out of commission for more than 2 weeks, it's going to be an accent of a lifetime if he can get re-eleceted. |
The only thing they'd have to do is keep Trump in one place. I don't see why that would be so hard. And hospitals are places where people with diseases come. I don't see how that could possibly be more safe.
If Trump was really trying to convince everyone this was nbd, then going to the hospital doesn't help that cause at all. And I really can't see how the most public figure in America contracting this helps in any way makes people think it's no big deal. Granted it's just a matter of opinion, but I don't see the logic there.
The people who are sending in mail-in ballots decided already, but some may have mailed them in but will now wait. If I was mildly leaning towards Trump, this may make me sit on my ballot longer than I wanted to.
People can be weird, but I really don't see catching a deadly disease that the public thinks he hasn't done an effective job containing helping his campaign especially when it effectively forces him into silence.
JWeinCom said:
The only thing they'd have to do is keep Trump in one place. I don't see why that would be so hard. And hospitals are places where people with diseases come. I don't see how that could possibly be more safe. If Trump was really trying to convince everyone this was nbd, then going to the hospital doesn't help that cause at all. And I really can't see how the most public figure in America contracting this helps in any way makes people think it's no big deal. Granted it's just a matter of opinion, but I don't see the logic there. People can be weird, but I really don't see catching a deadly disease that the public thinks he hasn't done an effective job containing helping his campaign especially when it effectively forces him into silence. |
Can't really further explain this or the next point if you don't see any logic behind it.
Some Trump mail in voters could change their minds, especially if Trump returns weak and in poor health. This is certainly possible.
If Trump wasn't that ill, and didn't follow protocol, the media would have a field day with it, making Trump look bad. I'd think they can also get more access to him or info on him at the WH vs the hospital. If Trump isn't that ill, and can return reasonably soon, and can talk down the impact of it, he can in a way justify lesser restrictions. Basically the reasoning for him being forced into silence would be based on a failure due to the overreach of implemented restrictions. If he's a fat, unhealthy, old, stressed out, angry person, as per the media, how could he get over it so easily, would be along the lines of the claim made. Trump would no doubt be questioned as to him being wrong in the past and agreeing with the present restrictions or more, and he's not going to agree with that. If you think all science is fact and doesn't or can't change based on new findings or experiences, then this wouldn't sway you. If you think science does change, at least until it's undeniably proven by the scientific method, then you may be swayed.
I've seen people, especially minorities, who say Trump should shut up about racism because he's white and can't have a clue because of that. If Trump goes through covid, based on that logic, while it doesn't make him an expert, it means what he has to say now has merit, especially compared to those who haven't gone through it, like Biden for example. Though if Trump comes back healthy and strong, he won't really be able to use victimhood and feelings to get anywhere. He would be able to use his experience to his advantage however.
EricHiggin said:
Can't really further explain this or the next point if you don't see any logic behind it. Some Trump mail in voters could change their minds, especially if Trump returns weak and in poor health. This is certainly possible. If Trump wasn't that ill, and didn't follow protocol, the media would have a field day with it, making Trump look bad. I'd think they can also get more access to him or info on him at the WH vs the hospital. If Trump isn't that ill, and can return reasonably soon, and can talk down the impact of it, he can in a way justify lesser restrictions. Basically the reasoning for him being forced into silence would be based on a failure due to the overreach of implemented restrictions. If he's a fat, unhealthy, old, stressed out, angry person, as per the media, how could he get over it so easily, would be along the lines of the claim made. Trump would no doubt be questioned as to him being wrong in the past and agreeing with the present restrictions or more, and he's not going to agree with that. If you think all science is fact and doesn't or can't change based on new findings or experiences, then this wouldn't sway you. If you think science does change, at least until it's undeniably proven by the scientific method, then you may be swayed. I've seen people, especially minorities, who say Trump should shut up about racism because he's white and can't have a clue because of that. If Trump goes through covid, based on that logic, while it doesn't make him an expert, it means what he has to say now has merit, especially compared to those who haven't gone through it, like Biden for example. Though if Trump comes back healthy and strong, he won't really be able to use victimhood and feelings to get anywhere. He would be able to use his experience to his advantage however. |
Yeah... definitely not seeing the logic. I mean, sure those are arguments he could try and make, but I don't think it'll be successful.
Only point I'll address is the one on science. Science is definitely not all fact, and does definitely change. But one data point does not change it. Trump surviving or dying makes no real impact as he's just one of 7,000,000 and has far better access to medical treatment than virtually any other person. The more important point is his utter lack of care and his inability to even protect himself with the tremendous resources at his disposal.
As long there is chloroquine in USA he will be fine
JWeinCom said:
Yeah... definitely not seeing the logic. I mean, sure those are arguments he could try and make, but I don't think it'll be successful. Only point I'll address is the one on science. Science is definitely not all fact, and does definitely change. But one data point does not change it. Trump surviving or dying makes no real impact as he's just one of 7,000,000 and has far better access to medical treatment than virtually any other person. The more important point is his utter lack of care and his inability to even protect himself with the tremendous resources at his disposal. |
It really doesn't change the science, I agree, but people typically aren't the most science oriented. There's many ways to sway people, especially when it comes to power and influence. This is especially clear from what's thought by the left, which seems weird, since they're supposed to be the one's who believe more strongly in science.
If Trump recovers easily, he's likely to try and use that as justification for not being more cautious and how he handled things in the past. For all we know it was someone else who broke protocol and gave it to him. If it puts him down hard, he's going to have a hard time explaining it all away.
He doesn't deserve any sympathy. He got what he asked for.
A lot of people lost everything, because of him. A lot of people died, because of him. He thought the virus is a joke made by democrats. He mismanaged the whole pandemic and STILL does. He makes fun of people wearing a mask.
Let's see what happens next.
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