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d21lewis said:
freedquaker said:


Something puzzles me about the Xbox fans who defend that Series S is a perfectly fine machine with 1440p resolution but Series X is better than PS5 as it has the brute force advantage. This whole sentence is perplexing to even entertain and damn contradictory. If Series S with 1/3 of the GPU power of Series X is perfectly fine doing 1440p, then PS5 with 85% of the power of Series X has only negligible power differential. If Series S can do 1440p, then PS5 can do 1800p or higher, which 99% of the people will not be able to tell! So please stop exaggerating the power differential, it's not there.

However, for $100 more money, the power gap between Series S and Playstation 5 is HUGE, not only the GPU gap (2.5x times), but also larger and much faster SSD, with practically the same fidelity as the Series X is a no brainer. With Playstation digital, you basically get the Series X power but with Playstation exclusives.


Series S is only good for those who could not care about the resolution at all (for young kids who wouldn't know better, as a gift where price is priority, or if you do not have or plan to have a TV better than 1080p). Other than that,  Xbox Series S is a deal breaker (compared to Playstation 5) although in a vacuum, it's a perfectly fine console (and what consoles should be, small, sleek, efficient, and humble).

I'm getting a Series X AND PS4! Yeah, getting the Series S is like getting the low end model of a fancy sports car but it's still a fancy sports car. The bolded doesn't apply to me. I still game on the original Xbox One and PS4 as well as the upgraded mid gen versions. I wasn't one of those who complained/bragged about 900p 30fps games on Xbox vs 1080p 60fps games on Xbox One. I won't be one of those guys this upcoming gen, either. Hell, I still game on the Wii U and Switch!

For those who complained last gen about price, you can get a Series S for $300 or you can subscribe to Game Pass and get a Series S for like $15 a month or a Series X for like $20 a month (or something like that). Coming up with $500 on day one isn't an issue anymore. It's like a cell phone plan.

For what it offers, I could see myself getting an S for my other rooms. I already have an Xbox One X in my man cave and an original 2013 Xbox in my living room. Yeah, there's a difference but, when I just want to play a game, the difference doesn't matter. And really, the performance difference hasn't been a big deal until recently.

Last gen, XBO had pretty much nothing going for itself besides features. It cost $100 more, offered worse versions of multiplayer, offered less exclusives, etc. This time, pretty much every complaint has been nullified. Microsoft is throwing everything at this generation to succeed. People can't use those old arguments now.

I believe it’s $25 a month for Series S ($15 per month extra beyond the $10/mo game pass cost) and $35/mo for a series X ($25/mo beyond the monthly game pass cost). 



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You can still play PS 1/2/3 games with PS now, tho I know that’s extra.

But XBox is actually the outlier with backwards compatibility. You mentioned having the Switch, and they don’t offer backwards compatibility, either. I mean, for many of Nintendo’s games, there isn’t any way to play them on Switch at all. I bought a Switch as my first-ever Nintendo console, with a major reason being the ability to finally play SM Galaxy 1/2, and that only just now became possible for SMG 1–attached to a $60 price tag (which I bought anyway, of course).

In general, at least for PS, I don’t get the frustration about BC. For me, it would be a nice bonus, but honestly, the only game all gen that I was left upset not being able to play on my ps4 was Portal 2. But I would be more than happy to buy a remaster of that.

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pitzy272 said:
d21lewis said:

I'm getting a Series X AND PS4! Yeah, getting the Series S is like getting the low end model of a fancy sports car but it's still a fancy sports car. The bolded doesn't apply to me. I still game on the original Xbox One and PS4 as well as the upgraded mid gen versions. I wasn't one of those who complained/bragged about 900p 30fps games on Xbox vs 1080p 60fps games on Xbox One. I won't be one of those guys this upcoming gen, either. Hell, I still game on the Wii U and Switch!

For those who complained last gen about price, you can get a Series S for $300 or you can subscribe to Game Pass and get a Series S for like $15 a month or a Series X for like $20 a month (or something like that). Coming up with $500 on day one isn't an issue anymore. It's like a cell phone plan.

For what it offers, I could see myself getting an S for my other rooms. I already have an Xbox One X in my man cave and an original 2013 Xbox in my living room. Yeah, there's a difference but, when I just want to play a game, the difference doesn't matter. And really, the performance difference hasn't been a big deal until recently.

Last gen, XBO had pretty much nothing going for itself besides features. It cost $100 more, offered worse versions of multiplayer, offered less exclusives, etc. This time, pretty much every complaint has been nullified. Microsoft is throwing everything at this generation to succeed. People can't use those old arguments now.

I believe it’s $25 a month for Series S ($15 per month extra beyond the $10/mo game pass cost) and $35/mo for a series X ($25/mo beyond the monthly game pass cost). 

Yeah. My post was FULL of errors. Calling PS5 a "PS4" and at one point calling PS4 an Xbox One! No idea where my head was at.



What do u mean series s is not full power next gen.. The only difference between series x and series s is resolution.. It will. Have same graphical stuff to series x but render at 1440p.. That's still a huge leap over last gen as alot of gamers still don't have native 4k monitor or TV let alone ones that support 120 frames. U will see graphical differences. It will be as obvious a ps4 pro vs  xbox one x or even ps4 vs xbox one. 

JimmyFantasy said:

I think it's all a matter of games, not technical power or services.
If you already have a PS4 then there is no reason to switch to an Xbox Series, because you will keep playing your PS4 games (and their next iterations) on PS5.

Having saying that, if you like games like Final Fantasy, Rachet & Clank, Demon's Souls, the next Persona, next Street Fighter, Uncharted, Gran Turismo, God of War or Horizon you should go with PlayStation. Otherwise, if you like more games like Halo, Forza, Fable, Hellblade, Killer Instinct you should get an XBox.

Keep in mind that there will be no visible graphics/performance difference between PS5 and XBox X games, multiplatforms games will run almost the same.


I'm not considering Xbox series S at all, since it's not a full power next gen machine, it's aimed to the casual gamers low on budget.



DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

When you try to copy something the problem is that the window might not be there cost wise.  Being late to the party would mean you are always late and its something MS as a company has found out on many fronts.  You either take the risk and be the leader or you wait and hope things doesn't pass you by.

True, but Xcloud is something that Sony started even before with PSNow (and sure needs to improve) while Gamepass is something they could copy very fast.

But well we know that hardly Sony is at risk of losing console sales against MS.

Sony has PS now but have they really pushed it.  Instead PS Now seems to be just another service to Sony which is why the strategy between MS and Sony on their different cloud platforms are so different.  MS whole business has shifted towards a service infrastructure, this is why MS is pushing gamepass and will continue to offer more enticing features because they look to gain as many subs outside of just the basic console.  Its not an issue of copying but infrastructure and moving their business and how they do things to a different level.  DO not get me wrong, I believe Sony is making a few early forays with putting a few of their first party games on the PC but such tentative approach.  I know Sony sees the strategy but they are willing to wait but the thing is waiting to long lose out on subs.  People only have so much money to split between these sub services and waiting to long could mean that by the time they want to get in, the window has passed.  Anyway only time will tell how this will go but I know for sure if Sony put all their first party games on PS Now day one, they would probably get near 100% buy in with the service.  Their execs do not see the bigger picture like MS and thus they could crush MS efforts if they wanted to.  Actually if they sold the PS5 with a PSNow sub plan with the hardware, it would sell like Iphones or Android phones in the 200 million + easily I believe.  With that many subs, it would easily pay for all first party big budget games with no problems at all.  Oh well, if only they were less traditional and more risk prone they could even be more dominant.

Sony is definitely in no danger of MS stealing their hardware marketshare but then again MS isn't concerned anymore about trying to take Sony hardware marketshare instead they are trying to slay bigger beast



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Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

True, but Xcloud is something that Sony started even before with PSNow (and sure needs to improve) while Gamepass is something they could copy very fast.

But well we know that hardly Sony is at risk of losing console sales against MS.

Sony has PS now but have they really pushed it.  Instead PS Now seems to be just another service to Sony which is why the strategy between MS and Sony on their different cloud platforms are so different.  MS whole business has shifted towards a service infrastructure, this is why MS is pushing gamepass and will continue to offer more enticing features because they look to gain as many subs outside of just the basic console.  Its not an issue of copying but infrastructure and moving their business and how they do things to a different level.  DO not get me wrong, I believe Sony is making a few early forays with putting a few of their first party games on the PC but such tentative approach.  I know Sony sees the strategy but they are willing to wait but the thing is waiting to long lose out on subs.  People only have so much money to split between these sub services and waiting to long could mean that by the time they want to get in, the window has passed.  Anyway only time will tell how this will go but I know for sure if Sony put all their first party games on PS Now day one, they would probably get near 100% buy in with the service.  Their execs do not see the bigger picture like MS and thus they could crush MS efforts if they wanted to.  Actually if they sold the PS5 with a PSNow sub plan with the hardware, it would sell like Iphones or Android phones in the 200 million + easily I believe.  With that many subs, it would easily pay for all first party big budget games with no problems at all.  Oh well, if only they were less traditional and more risk prone they could even be more dominant.

Sony is definitely in no danger of MS stealing their hardware marketshare but then again MS isn't concerned anymore about trying to take Sony hardware marketshare instead they are trying to slay bigger beast

Gamepass copying isn`t the samething as XCloud portion so not sure why the insistence on it being hard to copy this part. For the Xcloud portion sure Sony would need to improve PSNow a lot, but seeing as they are partnering with MS to use their Azzure network, the grunt of the work is already done for the expansion when needed.



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DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

Sony has PS now but have they really pushed it.  Instead PS Now seems to be just another service to Sony which is why the strategy between MS and Sony on their different cloud platforms are so different.  MS whole business has shifted towards a service infrastructure, this is why MS is pushing gamepass and will continue to offer more enticing features because they look to gain as many subs outside of just the basic console.  Its not an issue of copying but infrastructure and moving their business and how they do things to a different level.  DO not get me wrong, I believe Sony is making a few early forays with putting a few of their first party games on the PC but such tentative approach.  I know Sony sees the strategy but they are willing to wait but the thing is waiting to long lose out on subs.  People only have so much money to split between these sub services and waiting to long could mean that by the time they want to get in, the window has passed.  Anyway only time will tell how this will go but I know for sure if Sony put all their first party games on PS Now day one, they would probably get near 100% buy in with the service.  Their execs do not see the bigger picture like MS and thus they could crush MS efforts if they wanted to.  Actually if they sold the PS5 with a PSNow sub plan with the hardware, it would sell like Iphones or Android phones in the 200 million + easily I believe.  With that many subs, it would easily pay for all first party big budget games with no problems at all.  Oh well, if only they were less traditional and more risk prone they could even be more dominant.

Sony is definitely in no danger of MS stealing their hardware marketshare but then again MS isn't concerned anymore about trying to take Sony hardware marketshare instead they are trying to slay bigger beast

Gamepass copying isn`t the samething as XCloud portion so not sure why the insistence on it being hard to copy this part. For the Xcloud portion sure Sony would need to improve PSNow a lot, but seeing as they are partnering with MS to use their Azzure network, the grunt of the work is already done for the expansion when needed.

What exactly made you believe I made that distinction.  XCloud is a service that is part of gamepass but it is an important one.  It allows MS to push games to multiple different hardware without the reliance on any particular system.  Apple, Android, IOS, Windows, TVs you name it.  The key is that Sony isn't pushing PSNow and they are not really looking to from what I can see.  You cannot just ramp up out of nowhere when you feel like it, money in these situations still plays a key part and getting to scale takes time.