Several other "infant" services got a much bigger growth. Netflix as soon as readily available to several markets got fast growth, PS+ after changing from only discount and give games to paywall for MP grew very fast. People were very fast to accept they wouldn't play MP for free. If people see or think there is better value they will change. So again I won't dispute price or your preference, just that for the market right now GP isn't the value you think it is, in 3 years it may be, but right now it isn't.

As people said, Sony sold 50M consoles for 299-399 USD in the same timeframe MS convinced people to try GP from 1-15/month.

You are just saying what I have conceded to though.

If in some way, game pass as a service has te games I wat to play, on day 1. As I sid, I will jump in in a heartbeat. Because at that point, it's not just great service and a good deal, I actually has value to me.

But the subjectivity you want us t cancel outs exactly why its not a good value for most people. Simply put, it does not have te stuff we want to play. I mean I would be super happy if sony does something like gamepass too, even if it's just for their first-party titles and a few new games every month. Its a great deal and offering. But if I am not interested in sony's first party, then it would be useless to me too.

So lts make this simple. GP has value or you because you are playing a lot of games off the service? Great.Good for you. If I however got gamepass5 out of the next 5 games I am looking forward to isn't on it. So its useless to me. Absolutely valueless. Get those 5 games I want to buy on it day 1 however? and then its the best thing ever.

The underlying issue with GP is, it will NEVER get those games day 1 (if it gets them at al). And by those games, I do not mean PS exclusives.

Well said.

Anyone outside MSpushing GP is ignoring one crucial detail. It only has value if you are only interested in MS published or partnered titles. Because those are the only games you get day one on the service. Outside that, any game that comes to the service would have been available for at least 1-3 years in the one market. 

And there lies the issue. Its great and all having lots of games to play, but how many of those games did you care enough for to actually buy when they were available? And if you wanted them that much, chances have you already bought them. Eg. two of the biggest star out games coming to GP in September this year are Resident evil 7 and Destiny 2. Resident Evil 7 has been $20 on the PS store since November last year and Destiny 2 is FREE on the PS store.

Until GP can get games like those on its service on day 1, then the service will never amount to much, even when it has a library that is 500 games strong. Cause by then,I am sure on the PS tore you would see game bundles (4-10 games strong) available for as little as $10 or something like that. And even if sony adopted the same strategy, it too would amount to nothing much since it won't be able to get those their party games on it on day 1.

This is like MS has BC thing all over again, people don't buy new consoles to play old games. I'll say it again if MS comes and announces GTA6 will be exclusive to GP for one year? then be released on the PS5 and PC? Sony might as well just stop making consoles.

Yes, gaming is quite different than movie and series. It is much more likely that public will be satisfied in rewatching or watching for the first time a 10 year old movie than playing a 10 year old game.

When was Xbox one 100 dollars cheaper than PS4? PS4 was cheaper at the very beginning and caused a snowball effect. Once someone buys a PS4 or Xbox one, it's hard to justify buying another console that plays 95% of the same games.

I regularly saw it 100-150 below here in Canada - and keep in mind this was back when CAD and USD were on par with one another. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. 

Xbox One had running promotions and deals that put it 100 lower than MSRP most of the year making it effectivelly 100 USD cheaper than PS4 in USA for most of the year. MSRP was the same since 2014 and then with these deals it was a lot cheaper almost ever since.

Will counter X360 being 200 cheaper than PS3 as well?

Fast food is cheap, so you can eat more. Some people really like the taste of fast food. Not to mention the value deals you get.

Go ahead and consume mostly fast food and then try and convince people it's the better consumption direction.

Jared from Subway says, 'PS5, game fresh'.

in america xbox is king somewhat haha!
they are very patriotic with their boxes

I really don't get this kinda talk.

Ok. if nothing else, we can say that from May 2014, the XB1 and PS4 were the same price. That's 6 months into the generation. Then from January 2015, the XB1 ha one kinda promotion or the other keeping it selling at a price under $399. Then in June 2016, XB1s was introduced at the $299 price. The PS4 did not hit $299 till September 2016. Its really n secret (unless you have been living under a rock) that all of this gene MS has been by far more aggressive with their pricing than sony.

This thing about "once someone buys xyz its hard buying anything else" is just nonsense. Particularly because it contradicts itself. Both consoles released at the same time both were $400 from May 2014. So what stopped XB1 from selling 100M consoles over the next 6 years that followed? Surely in that time sony hadn't sold up to 100M consoles right? So it means that from May 2014, when sony hadn't even got to 10M sales, there were well over 130M opportunities for MS to sell Xboxs to. 130Mpeople that hadn't yet bought either an Xbox or a PS4. 

Its not like sony sold 110M consoles overnight and then MS had to convince 50M PS4 owners to also buy an Xbox over the last 7 years.

And other things to consider here. PS3 launched a year after the 360 and cost at least $200 more. It still ended up outselling the 360. So that means things can be turned around in a generation. And as bad as the XB1 has done,it is still only like 6/7M units behind the PS4. So its at least doing well somewhere.

I hope MS figures this out eventually, because its clear to me that fans of their platform haven't. What sells consoles are games. Games. Games and games. What makes people buy one console that shares 95% of a library over another, are exclusive games to that platform. I find it shocking how something this simple and obvious is so overlooked. Halo, gears and forza. That's the best MS had to offer all of this current-gen. Those were their tent pole titles. And we got what? 2 gears, 4 halos, and 6 forza... that right there, is the problem.