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3D Mario Collection & 3D World Deluxe big enough Holiday titles?

Yes, as big as Smash, Mar... 8 17.78%
 
Yes, big but not as big a... 21 46.67%
 
No, it's good but not big... 12 26.67%
 
Not at all, mainly small 4 8.89%
 
Total:45

The Switch will sell like hot cakes this holiday with or without those remasters, maybe they'd help a little (if they actually exist), but wouldn't be the main reason for the Switch selling greatly (the reason would be the console's catalogue of big previously released first-party games).



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IcaroRibeiro said:
I don't see any of those titles selling nowhere as much as big AAA Switch games, the ones that are pulling ~20million plus

Switch current catalog is what is selling the console, not those games. Nobody buys a console to play remastered versions of old games

😥

*bought PS4 for the best version of Tomb Raider Definitive Edition.



I feel like I need details to answer this question. Assuming all of this is happening, it's still more appropriate to ask this question after an official reveal. I don't know which games are bundled in said collection, how much it costs, the quality of the remaster, etc....



Salnax said:

Assuming these games DO exist and DO come out by the end of the year...

We don't have that many Nintendo compilations to compare a Mario Collection with. That said, Kirby's Dream Collection on the Wii sold 0.69 million copies, about 40% as well as the previous year's Kirby title, Return to Dream Land, while Metroid Prime Trilogy sold 43% as well as Metroid Prime 3 did a few years earlier. So I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect a 3D Mario Collection to sell somewhere in the 30% to 50% of Odyssey range over its lifetime. That would equal 5 to 9 million copies lifetime, not exactly a bad total.

As for 3D World Deluxe, the best comparison would be with other Wii U titles on Switch. Some games like Mario Kart 8 sold way better on Switch than the Wii U, and even smaller games like New Super Mario Bros U, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Pokken, etc. Only the rare oddball like Captain Toad and Hyrule Warriors doesn't exceed Wii U sales, and even those were in part due to competition from the 3DS versions. So it's generally reasonable to expect 3D World Deluxe to sell in line with what it sold on the Wii U, 5 to 6 million copies.

Combined, that would be 10 to 15 million copies between the compilation and the port, assuming of course that the release of two 3D Mario titles doesn't cannibalize sales. Regardless, that WOULD be enough to push sales, but NOT on par with the big hits of 2017, 2018, and 2019.

No way in HELL 3D World Deluxe sells the same amount on Switch as Wii U. The Switch's by the end of it's lifecycle is likely going to sell 10 times more than the Wii U in total, no way it sells the same ESPECIALLY when Nintendo's software sales on the Switch have a much higher attach rate/sales figures than any other Nintendo console. People will go crazy for a multiplayer simpler story mode Mario game on Switch.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
I feel like I need details to answer this question. Assuming all of this is happening, it's still more appropriate to ask this question after an official reveal. I don't know which games are bundled in said collection, how much it costs, the quality of the remaster, etc....

Yeah exactly. I mean I have been under the assumption that there will be a Mario collection since the rumor was announced, but the OP acts like he knows exactly what it is going to be. We don't know if its remastered games or just upgraded to HD, we don't know if it's all the old 3D Mario games or just some of them, we don't know if it's a single game or if there's multiple things coming out. Like maybe it's a Mario 64 total remake standalone game and then a Galaxy HD Collection, or maybe it's all four of the older games together in HD, or maybe it's a Galaxy HD Collection alone, or something else. Can't really ask this question with the OP assuming he knows what is coming until we actually know what is coming instead of just speculating on it.



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Nintendo’s done such a poor job keeping their 3D Marios available, that...yeah, I do think these games would make for pretty solid holiday games. I dunno if I’m in for 3D World at $60 (which WILL be the price), but I’m definitely jumping on the chance to have access to the Sunshine and Galaxy games portably.



No.

Nintendo has to put something big.



Long live Nintendo


I think y'all underestimate the nostalgia of these games. If it is well made and marketed, it will easily sell over 10 million copies.



It would be good enough for me, but I think it would be a betrayal to their long term fans to essentially not have a single big title all year.

Sales will of course be unaffected, though. For people just buying the system, everything is a new game. They could give Odyssey a new marketing push, even.



To piggy back off what xMetroid is saying. You guys are SEVERELY underestimating the nostalgia for the 3D Mario games; Especially 64 and Galaxy.

We've got the data and the numbers that show remakes of old, beloved classic games sell just as well, and are just as profitable, if not more, than brand new games.
- Resident Evil 2 Remake
- Link's Awakening
- Crash N Sane Trilogy
- Final Fantasy VII Remake

3 of the 4 games I just listed even outsold their original releases. The 4th became the fastest selling entry in its franchise's history.

If you don't think a 3D Mario collection can sell and pull in the same numbers for both hardware and software as a new 3D Mario game, you need a reality check.

Think about the games we're talking about here. They're some of the most beloved and universally acclaimed titles in gaming history:

Super Mario 64 - One of the most revolutionary titles of all time that set A LOT of standards back in 1996. The game that pretty much kick started 3D platforming and for many people, 3D gaming in general. The vast majority of people would rush out to the stores to by the collection just for this game alone!

Super Mario Galaxy - A masterpiece in every conceivable way when it released and for a lot of people, the Wii's magnum opus. You know how everyone has their list of 10/10 games? Everyone has them, myself included. But only 1 game is on that list - This is it. This is the ONLY game I would give a 10/10 Perfect score without hesitation. Everything about this title just *clicks*. It's one of those titles where as soon as you put start it up, hear that first music track for the first level (Star Festival) you realize, with a huge smile overtaking your face - "Ohhhh, this is going to be one of THOSE games! Let's do this!"

Super Mario Galaxy 2 - Pretty much everything I said about Galaxy 1 can be copied and pasted here. (Minus the personal, 10/10 Perfect score bit. This game is a 9.6-9.7 for me.)

Super Mario Sunshine - A game that has its admirers and has a lot of good to great things going for it. A solid game in its own right, but when compared to 64 and Galaxy... Yeah, it falls short to say the least. (Though I personally think Sunshine is better than 64.) This game, just as much, if not more, than 64, would benefit the most from the remake treatment. There were a lot of flaws that plagued this particular title back in 2002. F.L.U.D.D. was largely underutilized and I think there's some unexplored groundwork there.

Then, you have 3D Land and/or 3D World are just kind of added bonuses.

And this isn't just any top video game franchise, it's THE top video game franchise.

People who grew up with these titles and remember them fondly, ESPECIALLY the ones who dropped video games a long time ago and haven't played them since... Once they read the headline: "Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, and more 3D Mario games are getting REMADE for the Nintendo Switch" on Twitter, Facebook, IGN, YouTube, or wherever. They're going to come rushing out in droves. A lot of them who are parents, may be MORE excited than their own kids, who will be playing them for the first time, to play these games again.

Why? Because it's Mario. He's the Mickey Mouse of video games.

To be honest, I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't done this already. 

A 3D Mario collection of all these beloved classics would sell more hardware and reach more people than a new 3D Mario game. And now's as good a time as any! 

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 04 August 2020