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Will PS5 achieve 50% marketshare?

Yes 30 26.55%
 
No 64 56.64%
 
Maybe 14 12.39%
 
I'll have what you're smoking. 5 4.42%
 
Total:113
JRPGfan said:
Nautilus said:

No, Nintendo released only the Wii U as their 8th gen console. Switch is Nintendo 9th gen system, it is their 9th family system that they have produced since they began making consoles. It's stupid to think otherwise.

And why would Sony and MS determine when a gen starts and not Nintendo?

welcome to this stupid round about, discussion again again, nautilus.

Generation = a grouping belong together.

Your useing a differnt meaning of the word than I am.
You just use nr of release from nintendo = gen of nintendo console it belongs too.

Which is fair, but I talk about the hardware as in a general sense.
This generation (hardware releaseing around the same time).

Switch released along while ago, and competed against the PS4/XB1.

But when the PS5/XSX release they'll also be competing with the Switch. It really kinda messed things up with how people will group these consoles together in the future, especially if Switch 2 doesn't release until 2023/4.



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JRPGfan said:
Nautilus said:

No, Nintendo released only the Wii U as their 8th gen console. Switch is Nintendo 9th gen system, it is their 9th family system that they have produced since they began making consoles. It's stupid to think otherwise.

And why would Sony and MS determine when a gen starts and not Nintendo?

welcome to this stupid round about, discussion again again, nautilus.

Generation = a grouping belong together.

Your useing a differnt meaning of the word than I am.
You just use nr of release from nintendo = gen of nintendo console it belongs too.

Which is fair, but I talk about the hardware as in a general sense.
This generation (hardware releaseing around the same time).

Switch released along while ago, and competed against the PS4/XB1.

The only reason why people think generations are coupled together is because the industry almost always moved together. But that's not the case anymore.

Due to an absolute need to have a new console, Nintendo jump started the 9th gen when it released the Switch. And so Nintendo 9th gen console started. It's not a different meaning to the word you used, I just used it the correct way.

Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument? The Switch will not be teleported into a vacuum and suddenly have no competitors. It will compete with the PS5 and the Series X. By YOUR own definition, the Switch by november of this year, should then be considered a 9th gen console, because it will be fighting against Sony and MS new systems.

People forget that, even if Nintendo launched way earlier than anyone else their 9th gen system, it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this.



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Nautilus said:
JRPGfan said:

welcome to this stupid round about, discussion again again, nautilus.

Generation = a grouping belong together.

Your useing a differnt meaning of the word than I am.
You just use nr of release from nintendo = gen of nintendo console it belongs too.

Which is fair, but I talk about the hardware as in a general sense.
This generation (hardware releaseing around the same time).

Switch released along while ago, and competed against the PS4/XB1.

The only reason why people think generations are coupled together is because the industry almost always moved together. But that's not the case anymore.

Due to an absolute need to have a new console, Nintendo jump started the 9th gen when it released the Switch. And so Nintendo 9th gen console started. It's not a different meaning to the word you used, I just used it the correct way.

Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument? The Switch will not be teleported into a vacuum and suddenly have no competitors. It will compete with the PS5 and the Series X. By YOUR own definition, the Switch by november of this year, should then be considered a 9th gen console, because it will be fighting against Sony and MS new systems.

People forget that, even if Nintendo launched way earlier than anyone else their 9th gen system, it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this.

"jump started "their" generation".
Nintendo didnt jump start the 9th gen.
Only their own product line of consoles.

2 > 1.

XB and PS are launching soon (together, at the same time), and thats when the 9th gen starts.

"Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument?"

And what about the Switch competeing agains the PS4/XB1? is that just to be ignored then?

nautilus you use a odd meaning of the word generations.
The entire forum is pretty split on what it actually means, but Im not alone in thinking so (the majorty I think actually views it this way).
Also we ve had this same discussion so damn many times, this is my last reply on the matter.

" it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this."

Soon as switch 2, launches in like 2022, your gonna say its the 10th gen.
Even though it probably spends more time competeing against the PS5/XSX, than it does the gen after that.

Nintendo isnt part of the "generations" anymore.
They launch their own products whenever tehy want, typically mid gen of the others.

Also another arguement is, that generations always belonged to simular technologies.
8bit -> 16bit ect.

Switch is not made of the same stuff, as whats inside the PS5/XSX.
Its last gen in this aspect.

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this is going to end well

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So they real question op should have asked is if the switch is competing against the ps5 and xsx.

I would argue no. I would even go farther and say the switch is not even competing against the ps4/x1. There is no way they even share the same mindset when it comes to gaming. The switch is more of a handheld than a traditional console and its selling as is with zero competition. And it will crush everything because of it.

Once ps5/xsx come out then it will be impossible to associate thouse gaming experiences.



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It would take a significant fuckup to not do well next gen after the success this time. 50%, there's no way to know. Nobody needs a majority market share to succeed. Switch is selling very well since it doubles as a portable. Will anyone else try to sneak into the market? More importantly we need to see the price and how the economy is doing this winter to figure out how many are willing to jump in during the launch window. Could be in for a slow start or if the price is lower than we're expecting and people get stuck at home for round 2, it might be like the Wii launch.



eva01beserk said:
So they real question op should have asked is if the switch is competing against the ps5 and xsx.

I would argue no. I would even go farther and say the switch is not even competing against the ps4/x1. There is no way they even share the same mindset when it comes to gaming. The switch is more of a handheld than a traditional console and its selling as is with zero competition. And it will crush everything because of it.

Once ps5/xsx come out then it will be impossible to associate thouse gaming experiences.

This.
Nintendo went after the "blue occean" strat, and basically left the traditional console part behinde.
Is the word generations, even with meaning then? if your talking about apples & oranges?

Thats ontop of this mess, of them not wanting to launch with the others.
When a generation, means just that.



JRPGfan said:
Nautilus said:

The only reason why people think generations are coupled together is because the industry almost always moved together. But that's not the case anymore.

Due to an absolute need to have a new console, Nintendo jump started the 9th gen when it released the Switch. And so Nintendo 9th gen console started. It's not a different meaning to the word you used, I just used it the correct way.

Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument? The Switch will not be teleported into a vacuum and suddenly have no competitors. It will compete with the PS5 and the Series X. By YOUR own definition, the Switch by november of this year, should then be considered a 9th gen console, because it will be fighting against Sony and MS new systems.

People forget that, even if Nintendo launched way earlier than anyone else their 9th gen system, it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this.

"jump started "their" generation".
Nintendo didnt jump start the 9th gen.
Only their own product line of consoles.

2 > 1.

XB and PS are launching soon (together, at the same time), and thats when the 9th gen starts.

"Even if you want to use the word in the context of sales, since you brought up the point of the Switch competing with the PS4 and X One, when the PS5 and Series X eventually launches, what will become of your argument?"

And what about the Switch competeing agains the PS4/XB1? is that just to be ignored then?

nautilus you use a odd meaning of the word generations.
The entire forum is pretty split on what it actually means, but Im not alone in thinking so (the majorty I think actually views it this way).
Also we ve had this same discussion so damn many times, this is my last reply on the matter.

" it will still be the only Nintendo system on the market to compete with the other companies. It's a simple math. And much as the PS5 and the Series X is a 9th gen, so is the Switch. There is absolutely no way to confuse this."

Soon as switch 2, launches in like 2022, your gonna say its the 10th gen.
Even though it probably spends more time competeing against the PS5/XSX, than it does the gen after that.

Nintendo isnt part of the "generations" anymore.
They launch their own products whenever tehy want, typically mid gen of the others.

Of course Nintendo started the 9th gen. It was the first one to launch a 9th gen console. If Sony launched the PS5 first, then they would have started the 9th gen.And yeah, if Nintendo launches the Switch 2 before the PS6 or Series X 2, it will be the start of the 10 gen. What's so confusing about it?

And no, you are in the minority. Just look at the poll and the answers. If the PS5 was "only" competing with the Series X in the 9th gen, I doubt it would have 70% of the votes on the No, considering most of the forum users are compromised of Nintendo and Sony fans. And the answers also show the same thing, that they don't think that will happen because Nintendo is just too strong right now.

If you want to compare 8th gen sales, then just compare them to the Wii U and the X One. Those are the 9th gen consoles. If you want to do it in a year by year basis, however, then it's fine to include the Switch, because you are comparing what each console did on their own on that day and moment.

And why is Nintendo not part of the "generation" discussion anymore? Is it fear that Nintendo will be so overwhelming better in the sales department that you want to remove them from the equation?

You know what? It's easier to make a thread and poll about this.



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eva01beserk said:
So they real question op should have asked is if the switch is competing against the ps5 and xsx.

I would argue no. I would even go farther and say the switch is not even competing against the ps4/x1. There is no way they even share the same mindset when it comes to gaming. The switch is more of a handheld than a traditional console and its selling as is with zero competition. And it will crush everything because of it.

Once ps5/xsx come out then it will be impossible to associate thouse gaming experiences.

I'd say only indirectly. They're in the same market and compete for your money, but yes they have a different mindset compared to the rest. You can say they coexist with the competition rather than fight them.



Yes. I don’t see many people needing to upgrade to the series x, as opposed to ps5. To be able to play those new Sony exclusives you will need a ps5.