You see it as a someone already in their Ecosystem. Someone outside it may not see the value of said games.

I'm not arguing against for or against btw :P

As I said, GP offers good value, but its not like GP replaces the need to ever spend money on games again. A and AA games are cool and all, but in the end we're all still way more excited about next gen versions of the AAA franchises like BF, COD, AC, GTA etc. All games that either won't come to GP at all, or will come years later.

I get that people are comparing it to Netflix, but it really isn't. The difference is that games are very time consuming. For example, I downloaded Monster Hunter World and basically stopped playing anything else for like 3 months. I would have spend $45 playing MHW, while I could have just bought the game from the bargain bin for $20. I would have physically owned it and never had to worry about it being pulled from GP. 

GP isn't always the best value. It kinda depends on what games you're into. Personally I'm just scrolling through those 1000 titles thinking "I played this 2 years ago already" or I'm seeing games I never even heard off thinking "nope, nope, nope". I just don't have the time and interest to play every single game ever released. I would rather spend $60 on a single game I really care about playing. Or waste my time on the VGchartz forum ;)

Granted there are lot of what if's and a bit of it is conjecture and some not true (at least the way devs/PR describe them). Goopy does raise questions whether the GP model will affect Microsfots first party lineup or roadmap of games. One just needs to look at MS turning Halo into a 10 year game that will be updated Destiny style. Possibly Forza. Maybe Fable since they are doing away with numbered games.

Now they are supporting the system more with other exclusives so there's that. So there will be a steady steam of games over 2022 mark for exclusive content.

The reason I said 'ccccombo breaker' to that post about the Killzone trailer was that I liked how it introduced a new discussion point to the table. That point being that, what's worse? A gameplay demo that's underwhelming or a faux gameplay trailer that overlays its hand? We've seen countless times games that get a serious downgrade after the marketing and end up pissing people off (see: Watch_Dogs). I'd rather have a Halo Infinite gameplay demo that's underwhelming but actually represents the quality of the game (See: Fallout 4) than what we got with Killzone and Watch_Dogs. 

Just a nice little twist on the narrative here. Maybe that wasn't even what he meant by the Killzone trailer, but that's what I took away from it.

Nah I wasn't calling it a bad thing. Its just like all GaaS style games (I know its a stupid acronym) its a way to get people invested into their games. They can just update and add expansions and people will keep coming back for more content.

This is just turning into a norm for consoles on some games. Which to me is worrying as it gives publishers and excuse to rush and release a game even when its not quite done or polished when it can be patched in. Especially when they are selling a game on a model on the store depend up on it.

I've subscribed to WoW and have subbed many other MMO's so I know that once a game or publisher 'hooks' you in you're basically in. I've been subbed since the origional WoW a few years into release. And come back every once and again.

But I'm looking forward to Fable. I'm hoping they build upon 2 that was a great game. I'm sure Playground Games will do a bang up job on it.

You know, you are one of the most dedicated fans I've ever seen, going so far as to blatantly draw lines in the sand and turn this into some weird me vs you, us vs them mentality. I have no problem empathizing with people who don't agree with me, I have made it clear I criticize all consoles and all manufacturers based on what they do well and what they don't. It just so happens to be that Microsoft has not done much to impress me (or many others) for a long time now while Nintendo and Sony ARE doing very well. 

You say I can't empathize or understand people like what I don't, but you have it backwards. You are the one who seems to have the chain of causality backwards. you have it in your head that the only reason I'm critical of Microsoft is because I hate them and want them to fail. You act like I'm just a 'hater' and that I'll hate what they do regardless of whether I'd like it or not, where the reason I'm so critical is...becuase they keep fucking up. I don't hate them because I'm a hater, I'm critical of them because they're fucking up. The issue lies with them. As a consumer myself I have every right to pick and chose - as do you - and I'd much rather have all consoles like I have the past three generations. (Five if you only count the PS1/N64 for that generation and Genesis/SNES for the one prior to that). I want all consoles, I hate the petty fighting, I don't like missing out on potentially good deals, and I think the industry is better when there's competition. 

but Microsoft keeps fucking up.

They keep failing to deliver on promises.

They routinely have little to no exclusives.

They keep making decisions that drive people away from their brand.

They keep focusing on things that don't matter.

They keep pushing the 'most powerful console' narrative but then give us what we saw at this showcase

They keep promising new teams and new games and new IPs and yet almost none of their games over the past 3-5 years have been great. 

The franchises they have got have been growing stale.

Microsoft keeps fucking up. 

And they keep doing it. They keep twisting logic to make it sound better than it is, they fail to make new IPs or try new things they have no games (And what few games they do have come to PC), and people like you keep bending over backwards to justify it. If you like what they offer, that's fine. What I'm critical of is the fact that you seem to love absolutely everything they do and hate what Sony does even if they are remarkably comparable in look, feel, tone, and delivery. That's about as 'loyal' as you can get. Unlike you with Xbox, I hate or dislike or am neutral on a lot of things Sony does...but they do so many things that it doesn't matter that I think Uncharted is overrated as hell, I can still play Ratchet & Clank. It doesn't matter that I hate Racing games like Gran Turismo and Drive Club, I can still play Bloodborne. It doesn't matter that Sports games are the bane of my existence and thus will never touch MLB The Show, I still have God of War and Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn and so many others. 

With Xbox, you've still really only got the holy trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza. Little else breaks through or is in any way impressive. If you don't like shooters or racers, there's really nothing for you on Xbox One. If you honestly think tripe like Crackdown 3, Ryse, SEa of Thieves, and State of Decay are enough to make the Xbox worth it to the average person, you're delusional. If you like those games, fine, but don't pretend I'm strange for saying it's not good enough. 

Because that's what you're doing. You're being critical of me for being critical of your brand. And yes it is your brand, clearly. You're being a hypocrite. I'm not allowed to be critical of Microsoft in your eyes, something you've made stunningly and repeatedly clear. but you can bitch at me and call me all manner of names because of it. You're a hypocrite. 

Microsoft keeps fucking up and it'll do a lot more than what they showed in this presentation to make me trust them again. They've been pulling this crap for the better part of a decade and I'm not going to fall for it again. I concede that GamePass is a good deal...for people who like that sort of thing. If it was the sort of thing more people wanted, it'd be more successful. At that price, EVERYONE should have it, but they don't. and EVERYONE has a PC. So cut it out. Stop acting like I'm crazy or delusional because I rightly criticize a company that has been fucking up and doing the same hype loop for the last ten years or so. 

They probably will rush the game out for xbox series x release. However, I don't think it will hurt the game's sales at all just look at sea of thieves. Sea of theives started out with little content and it was a brand new IP. Now it is one of the most popular games this generation. If sea of thieves can do it, so can Halo.

Nobody has claimed GP replaces the need to ever buy games again. And not a single game is exclusive to GP, you can still buy them if this service doesn't suit you. 

All that drivel but you didn't bother to explain how focusing only on GP at the expense of sending a next-gen isn't consumer friendly at all.

And you still tried to make it sound as if all GP games are A or AA.. goopy plz. 

Anyone who doesn't see the value of game pass is just blind. If you go a buy a next gen console you are at least spending 600 dollars with taxes and online as of now. Game pass can let you play hundred of games and some of the are day 1 for a few dollars a month. Especially now games are going to be 70 dollars.

Well to be fair and to follow the goopy logic, there isn't much value in GP if you actually are blind. Why spend money each month to hear a game when you can buy an audio book.