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How Would You Rate The Xbox Game Showcase?

10 9 5.26%
 
9 11 6.43%
 
8 32 18.71%
 
7 19 11.11%
 
6 35 20.47%
 
5 24 14.04%
 
4 19 11.11%
 
3 11 6.43%
 
2 7 4.09%
 
1 4 2.34%
 
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EpicRandy on 27 July 2020
Leynos said:
If Rare doesn't even know what the gameplay of Everwild is going to be yet then WTF was the point of showing it? For art style? Big whoop. If there is no gameplay then I don't care as a person watching and potential customer. Gameplay trailers only. Man what a concept. Showing gameplay for a video game. You can show all the CGI or art concept videos all you want but if no gameplay then what is the point?

I wish Nintendo, MS ad Sony would stop showing a pre-rendered trailer for a game that is years away. Don't show us until about a year from launch. Otherwise, it just causes frustration when there is no news. SMTV was debated as vaporware until a week ago and Bayonetta 3 is nowhere to be seen for 3 years. Nintendo mentioned it once a year and a half ago and so quickly it was a fart in the wind. DMCV was the perfect reveal. 2018 E3. We get a trailer of Nero in a new art style. Fans wonder where is Dante? THERE HE IS! End of the trailer. Full of DMC gameplay and story. We only had to wait until March of the next year with a couple new trailers in between and news info. The proper way to announce and hype up a game and one long wanted.

That happen more often than you think. The Last Guardian is a good(and bad (for the time it took the be released)) example. 

You can show all the CGI or art concept videos all you want but if no gameplay then what is the point? Well can you think of a game show that had more gameplay than CGI trailer or in engine rendering. I certainly can't. 

I wish Nintendo, MS ad Sony would stop showing a pre-rendered trailer for a game that is years away. I understand your point, but you can bet devs studio are not with you on this one. They want their vision to be seen, their project to be talk about as early as possible. That's is especially true with new IPs.

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LudicrousSpeed on 27 July 2020
goopy20 said:

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

lol what in the actual f are you even saying here? So GamePass is "great" and offers "amazing value"... and yet it only works for A/AA games that "bomb critically and at retail" and thrives in a "quantity over quality" model. Awesome, man. Those arguments don't contradict each other at all. It totally makes sense to open an argument praising something and then spend the rest of the argument shitting on it.

I know I am going to get a goopalicious answer that is full of poorly thought out logic, but how exactly is Microsoft going to keep people subscribed to a service by constantly throwing junk on it? Your opinion here isn't unique, it's a generic opinion by some on Chartz yet none of you can ever answer that question. Microsoft is going HAM on GamePass, and yet they're going to just poop out content to keep the quantity high. Sounds logical. Gamers won't care I guess if all the software sucks, they'll just care that there is software. Makes sense.

Here are some of the games I have played thanks to GamePass:

Halo CE (97)
Halo 2 (95)
Halo 3 (94)
Halo Reach (91)
ODST (83)
Halo 4 (87)
Halo Wars (82)
Halo Wars 2 (79)
KOTOR (94)
Gears 4 (84)
Gears (94)
Gears 2 (94)
Gears 3 (91)
Dead Cells (91)
Slay the Spire (89)
ROTTR (86)
Vermintide 2 (83)
MGS V (95)
Horizon 4 (92)
Mutant Year Zero (80)
Bloodstained (84)
DMC5 (87)
Outer Worlds (85)
Outer Wilds (85)
Plague Tale (83)
Doom (87)
Prey (84)
Sniper Elite 4 (81)
Children of Morta (80)
Yakuza 0 (90)
Ori 2 (90)
Two Point Hospital (84)
SOR4 (82)
Gears Tactics (81)
Gears 5 (84)
Neon Abyss (85)

And the list would be like 3-4 times as long if I included everything in the 70's meta and on PC with no achievements. Not to mention great games like Hellblade (88), Nier Automata (90), GTAV (97), RDR2 (97) among many others that are on GamePass but I already owned. Where is all of this quantity over quality? Why are there so many AAA titles here on a service you claim can only sustain A/AA games? Why are there so many 80+ meta score games and good selling titles when you claim GamePass caters to games that are critical and financial duds?

And the AAA content is only going to increase now that Microsoft has 15 studios pumping out games for it, many of which have been hiring and expanding now to prepare for bigger games. Why have all these studios been adding talent and moving into bigger buildings gooper, if they're just going to poop out GamePass filler?

Have you ever even looked at a list of GamePass games?



eva01beserk on 27 July 2020
sales2099 said:
goopy20 said:

Its weird that you still don't see the downsides of GP after that Halo reveal. I hope you now at least realize that scalable graphics don't really work as Phil Spencer made it out to be.

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

The truth is that from half the games you mentioned, we have no idea what they are and when they will be coming out. It could be 4 years from now before we see Fable or Avowed, and even then we have no idea if they will be Skyrim/ Witcher beaters, or if they will end up on Ms's vast list of 60 Metacritic exclusives. 

Look, of course you want to see AAA exclusives on your platform of choice, we all do. But just like with Kinect, MS's corporate strategy will again directly influence what kind of games we'll see rolling out of those 14 studios. They turned Halo into a GAAS title FFS, Everwild is supposed to fairy tale version of Sea of Thieves, and I'm willing to bet Fable and Avowed eventually show up as MMO's. Those are the kind of games MS needs to keep GP users engaged and subscribed to their service, not the AAA blockbusters Sony has, that come out once every 3 years. 

 

Xbox changed their stance apparently...most game reveals we saw don’t have a Xbox One version. Your narrative is a bust, the cross gen initiative just applies to Halo and the smaller stuff like Grounded and Psychonauts, Tell Me Why, etc. Big games aren’t affected. Not even Everwild has a Xbox One version anymore. 

Game Pass needs a mix of A-AAA. Games from Ori, Grounded, to Hellblade 2 and Avowed. AAA games drive the service like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 before. A-AA is to pad out the year and keep people invested in interesting experiences. If you respond and tell me Avowed and Fable aren’t going to be AAA then that’s straight up trolling. Even Hellblade 2 and SoD3 is supposed to be AAA. 

I keep saying it here, but you telling me some games are a ways away just tells me Xbox is done with game droughts. They have enough studios to ensure that doesn’t happen. Don’t spread false rumors, Fable is confirmed to not be a MMO. 

How quick do you change your mind as soon as MS flips. Now next gen exclusives are the greatest thing ever. I wished you thought that way when we where telling you that they where necessary to push the console. But I guess you needed to hear Phil flip on it.

Watch this before you flip again. Its from a lawyer in the games industry. Short and sweet, MS gave a time limit for the crosgen games. So all thouse games saying series x exclusive could be wait out into the future passimg that limit. So expect drowghts again or just receive smaller titles. Or their messaging is complete and utter shit and nothing they say can be taken verbatim. 



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JRPGfan on 27 July 2020
chakkra said:
Runa216 said:

In all my time here and all the perusing of these threads, I haven't seen a single person claiming that. Are you sure you're not bringing in outside influence?

Obviously not with those exact words, but are you seriously going to tell me that you haven't seen the "quantity vs quality" narrative floating around lately? Like, for real?

The other side of the argument is xbox exclusivies have alot of 60's rated metascore games. Often released with glitches, unstable, buggy.. ect.
Chakkra it seems your ignoreing WHY people would say so.

Ryze Son of Rome - 60 metacritic score.
Crackdown 3 - 60.
ReCore - 63.
Super Lucky's Tale - 64.
Bleeding edge - 66.
Disneyland Adventures - 66.
Sea of theives - 69.
Zoo Tycoon - 68.
State of Decay 2 - 66.
Quantum Break - 77.

Even something like Halo Masterchief collection, which reviewed fine, was also really buggy for years.



sales2099 on 27 July 2020
eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Xbox changed their stance apparently...most game reveals we saw don’t have a Xbox One version. Your narrative is a bust, the cross gen initiative just applies to Halo and the smaller stuff like Grounded and Psychonauts, Tell Me Why, etc. Big games aren’t affected. Not even Everwild has a Xbox One version anymore. 

Game Pass needs a mix of A-AAA. Games from Ori, Grounded, to Hellblade 2 and Avowed. AAA games drive the service like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 before. A-AA is to pad out the year and keep people invested in interesting experiences. If you respond and tell me Avowed and Fable aren’t going to be AAA then that’s straight up trolling. Even Hellblade 2 and SoD3 is supposed to be AAA. 

I keep saying it here, but you telling me some games are a ways away just tells me Xbox is done with game droughts. They have enough studios to ensure that doesn’t happen. Don’t spread false rumors, Fable is confirmed to not be a MMO. 

How quick do you change your mind as soon as MS flips. Now next gen exclusives are the greatest thing ever. I wished you thought that way when we where telling you that they where necessary to push the console. But I guess you needed to hear Phil flip on it.

Watch this before you flip again. Its from a lawyer in the games industry. Short and sweet, MS gave a time limit for the crosgen games. So all thouse games saying series x exclusive could be wait out into the future passimg that limit. So expect drowghts again or just receive smaller titles. Or their messaging is complete and utter shit and nothing they say can be taken verbatim. 

Actually no. I had a narrative based on what was given. The showcase provided new information. So while the PR states 1-2 years the reality is that most of those games announced fall outside the window. Next gen exclusives always were the greatest thing, I made my opinion very clear that the first year you can’t expect the same level of pushing hardware that later years can do. So I didn’t flip on anything actually. 

2021 we’ll see, but 2022 is when we should start getting the influx of the main studios efforts. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

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eva01beserk on 27 July 2020
sales2099 said:
eva01beserk said:

How quick do you change your mind as soon as MS flips. Now next gen exclusives are the greatest thing ever. I wished you thought that way when we where telling you that they where necessary to push the console. But I guess you needed to hear Phil flip on it.

Watch this before you flip again. Its from a lawyer in the games industry. Short and sweet, MS gave a time limit for the crosgen games. So all thouse games saying series x exclusive could be wait out into the future passimg that limit. So expect drowghts again or just receive smaller titles. Or their messaging is complete and utter shit and nothing they say can be taken verbatim. 

Actually no. I had a narrative based on what was given. The showcase provided new information. So while the PR states 1-2 years the reality is that most of those games announced fall outside the window. Next gen exclusives always were the greatest thing, I made my opinion very clear that the first year you can’t expect the same level of pushing hardware that later years can do. So I didn’t flip on anything actually. 

2021 we’ll see, but 2022 is when we should start getting the influx of the main studios efforts. 

So are you saying then that there wont be big exclusive games aside from halo until that time window expires? 



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Shaunodon on 27 July 2020
eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:

Actually no. I had a narrative based on what was given. The showcase provided new information. So while the PR states 1-2 years the reality is that most of those games announced fall outside the window. Next gen exclusives always were the greatest thing, I made my opinion very clear that the first year you can’t expect the same level of pushing hardware that later years can do. So I didn’t flip on anything actually. 

2021 we’ll see, but 2022 is when we should start getting the influx of the main studios efforts. 

So are you saying then that there wont be big exclusive games aside from halo until that time window expires? 

A Forza game is very likely during that window. Probably Forza Horizon 5, as Forza Motorsport is apparently in early development.

As we saw with Forza Horizon 2-- really the only great exclusive to launch during year one this gen --Playground Games (and another studio if necessary) will have no problem releasing this title cross-gen and optimising performance for next-gen.

Halo MCC, which at it's core is an amazing package, obviously launched as a mess. Otherwise that would've been the other killer year one app of this gen.

Funny enough, Xbox could look very much the same this upcoming gen. Except it'll be a whole new and innovative Halo (that'll hopefully not launch as a mess), and Forza Horizon titles have only gotten more exceptional with each release.

2 potential must-have exclusives for year one next-gen and current Xbox owners, along with all the other smaller titles they're throwing in. That'd be pretty impressive in my book.



goopy20 on 27 July 2020
LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

lol what in the actual f are you even saying here? So GamePass is "great" and offers "amazing value"... and yet it only works for A/AA games that "bomb critically and at retail" and thrives in a "quantity over quality" model. Awesome, man. Those arguments don't contradict each other at all. It totally makes sense to open an argument praising something and then spend the rest of the argument shitting on it.

I know I am going to get a goopalicious answer that is full of poorly thought out logic, but how exactly is Microsoft going to keep people subscribed to a service by constantly throwing junk on it? Your opinion here isn't unique, it's a generic opinion by some on Chartz yet none of you can ever answer that question. Microsoft is going HAM on GamePass, and yet they're going to just poop out content to keep the quantity high. Sounds logical. Gamers won't care I guess if all the software sucks, they'll just care that there is software. Makes sense.

Here are some of the games I have played thanks to GamePass:

Halo CE (97)
Halo 2 (95)
Halo 3 (94)
Halo Reach (91)
ODST (83)
Halo 4 (87)
Halo Wars (82)
Halo Wars 2 (79)
KOTOR (94)
Gears 4 (84)
Gears (94)
Gears 2 (94)
Gears 3 (91)
Dead Cells (91)
Slay the Spire (89)
ROTTR (86)
Vermintide 2 (83)
MGS V (95)
Horizon 4 (92)
Mutant Year Zero (80)
Bloodstained (84)
DMC5 (87)
Outer Worlds (85)
Outer Wilds (85)
Plague Tale (83)
Doom (87)
Prey (84)
Sniper Elite 4 (81)
Children of Morta (80)
Yakuza 0 (90)
Ori 2 (90)
Two Point Hospital (84)
SOR4 (82)
Gears Tactics (81)
Gears 5 (84)
Neon Abyss (85)

And the list would be like 3-4 times as long if I included everything in the 70's meta and on PC with no achievements. Not to mention great games like Hellblade (88), Nier Automata (90), GTAV (97), RDR2 (97) among many others that are on GamePass but I already owned. Where is all of this quantity over quality? Why are there so many AAA titles here on a service you claim can only sustain A/AA games? Why are there so many 80+ meta score games and good selling titles when you claim GamePass caters to games that are critical and financial duds?

And the AAA content is only going to increase now that Microsoft has 15 studios pumping out games for it, many of which have been hiring and expanding now to prepare for bigger games. Why have all these studios been adding talent and moving into bigger buildings gooper, if they're just going to poop out GamePass filler?

Have you ever even looked at a list of GamePass games?

GP is great value if you look at the sheer number of games you can play for $1, compared to buying one $60 at retail. No one is arguing those numbers here.

What I'm saying is focusing only on GP at the expense of selling a next gen console isn't consumer friendly at all. In fact its anti-early adopters friendly for those who are excited about Series X and are willing to splash out $600 to play next gen games. Like I've been raving on about for the last months, Xbox One isn't the only thing that'll hold Series X back. All Series X games also have to run on the average gaming pc, and assuming its real, the 4Tflops Lockhart.

I honestly expected that I had to upgrade my pc for next gen but even the MS games, that are skipping current gen, will run fine on my modest GTX1060. On one hand its great that I don't have to upgrade, but its also why everything they showed looks so underwhelming. Hell, I am already playing Ori in 1440p and 120fps right now. So yeah, MS is seriously lacking that next gen thrill that typically comes at the start of a new console generation.

Now, why would MS focus on A or AA games? Because its working for them. Look at the list of most popular games on GP and this is what you'll see. 

  • Recore
  • Bleeding Edge
  • Minecraft Dungeons
  • State of Decay 2
  • Disneyland adventures
  • Gears Tactics
  • Sea of Thieves
  • Ori

AA or A games doesn't mean it has to suck, though. I love Ori, Gears Tactics and am looking forward to playing Grounded. But would I have bought them at full retail price, and are those really the kind of games that will push console sales? Of course not. They are low risk, high output games that are perfect for keeping people subscribed to GP. 

Does that mean we won't see any AAA games from ms at all? Honestly, its hard to say when they literally haven't showed us anything. Fable and Avowed could be amazing single player games. But if MS had to choose between a one-time AAA single player experience, or turning them into MMO's that can potentially keep people engaged to GP for months, what do you think they'd pick? They've already turned the Halo franchise into a GAAS and said that there won't be a new Halo coming... EVER...  



Shaunodon on 27 July 2020
goopy20 said:

What I'm saying is focusing only on GP at the expense of selling a next gen console isn't consumer friendly at all.

You heard it here folks. Trying to shove people into buying your expensive new console, is more consumer friendly than giving them shit tons of games for $1 available through several platforms.



goopy20 on 27 July 2020
sales2099 said:
goopy20 said:

Its weird that you still don't see the downsides of GP after that Halo reveal. I hope you now at least realize that scalable graphics don't really work as Phil Spencer made it out to be.

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

The truth is that from half the games you mentioned, we have no idea what they are and when they will be coming out. It could be 4 years from now before we see Fable or Avowed, and even then we have no idea if they will be Skyrim/ Witcher beaters, or if they will end up on Ms's vast list of 60 Metacritic exclusives. 

Look, of course you want to see AAA exclusives on your platform of choice, we all do. But just like with Kinect, MS's corporate strategy will again directly influence what kind of games we'll see rolling out of those 14 studios. They turned Halo into a GAAS title FFS, Everwild is supposed to fairy tale version of Sea of Thieves, and I'm willing to bet Fable and Avowed eventually show up as MMO's. Those are the kind of games MS needs to keep GP users engaged and subscribed to their service, not the AAA blockbusters Sony has, that come out once every 3 years. 

 

Xbox changed their stance apparently...most game reveals we saw don’t have a Xbox One version. Your narrative is a bust, the cross gen initiative just applies to Halo and the smaller stuff like Grounded and Psychonauts, Tell Me Why, etc. Big games aren’t affected. Not even Everwild has a Xbox One version anymore. 

Game Pass needs a mix of A-AAA. Games from Ori, Grounded, to Hellblade 2 and Avowed. AAA games drive the service like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 before. A-AA is to pad out the year and keep people invested in interesting experiences. If you respond and tell me Avowed and Fable aren’t going to be AAA then that’s straight up trolling. Even Hellblade 2 and SoD3 is supposed to be AAA. 

I keep saying it here, but you telling me some games are a ways away just tells me Xbox is done with game droughts. They have enough studios to ensure that doesn’t happen. Don’t spread false rumors, Fable is confirmed to not be a MMO. 

Yeah, they sure did. But don't you find that odd after all the stuff Phil's been saying about not leaving anyone behind? To me it feels like they put a strategy in motion but after the May event, they realized it wasn't such a great idea after all and now they're backpedaling.

I respect that you're a loyal Xbox fan but even you have to admit that MS had a lot to prove after the disastrous May event. Would their cross gen strategy really not hold Halo back, would they show amazing new next gen AAA ip's, would the Initiative show their mind blowing AAAA title? All we got is confirmation that "Optimized for Series X" means nothing - besides a bump in framerate and resolution - even when their flag ship title was supposedly natively designed for Series X. They also showed that they have nothing truly next gen planned for the near future. That's why they had to resort to cgi smoke and mirrors and there's no way to take the Hell Blade 2 footage serious anymore. Like Runa said, it's the same empty promises we've been hearing since 2013 and MS has a spectacular history of under delivering. As always, we'll just have to wait and see with Fable and Avowed, but I hope you at least understand where all the skepticism is coming from.

I'm seriously curious what you think about 343 pulling a Destiny on us with the Halo franchise, though. As a big Halo fan myself, its bad enough that its a current gen game, but what's even worse is that they're not planning on making another Halo game for the coming decade...  After seeing what they're doing to Halo, I don't want MS to go anyway near developers like WB or buy any other studios, until we know for sure that they won't just use them for GAAS and GP fillers.