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LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

lol what in the actual f are you even saying here? So GamePass is "great" and offers "amazing value"... and yet it only works for A/AA games that "bomb critically and at retail" and thrives in a "quantity over quality" model. Awesome, man. Those arguments don't contradict each other at all. It totally makes sense to open an argument praising something and then spend the rest of the argument shitting on it.

I know I am going to get a goopalicious answer that is full of poorly thought out logic, but how exactly is Microsoft going to keep people subscribed to a service by constantly throwing junk on it? Your opinion here isn't unique, it's a generic opinion by some on Chartz yet none of you can ever answer that question. Microsoft is going HAM on GamePass, and yet they're going to just poop out content to keep the quantity high. Sounds logical. Gamers won't care I guess if all the software sucks, they'll just care that there is software. Makes sense.

Here are some of the games I have played thanks to GamePass:

Halo CE (97)
Halo 2 (95)
Halo 3 (94)
Halo Reach (91)
ODST (83)
Halo 4 (87)
Halo Wars (82)
Halo Wars 2 (79)
KOTOR (94)
Gears 4 (84)
Gears (94)
Gears 2 (94)
Gears 3 (91)
Dead Cells (91)
Slay the Spire (89)
ROTTR (86)
Vermintide 2 (83)
MGS V (95)
Horizon 4 (92)
Mutant Year Zero (80)
Bloodstained (84)
DMC5 (87)
Outer Worlds (85)
Outer Wilds (85)
Plague Tale (83)
Doom (87)
Prey (84)
Sniper Elite 4 (81)
Children of Morta (80)
Yakuza 0 (90)
Ori 2 (90)
Two Point Hospital (84)
SOR4 (82)
Gears Tactics (81)
Gears 5 (84)
Neon Abyss (85)

And the list would be like 3-4 times as long if I included everything in the 70's meta and on PC with no achievements. Not to mention great games like Hellblade (88), Nier Automata (90), GTAV (97), RDR2 (97) among many others that are on GamePass but I already owned. Where is all of this quantity over quality? Why are there so many AAA titles here on a service you claim can only sustain A/AA games? Why are there so many 80+ meta score games and good selling titles when you claim GamePass caters to games that are critical and financial duds?

And the AAA content is only going to increase now that Microsoft has 15 studios pumping out games for it, many of which have been hiring and expanding now to prepare for bigger games. Why have all these studios been adding talent and moving into bigger buildings gooper, if they're just going to poop out GamePass filler?

Have you ever even looked at a list of GamePass games?

GP is great value if you look at the sheer number of games you can play for $1, compared to buying one $60 at retail. No one is arguing those numbers here.

What I'm saying is focusing only on GP at the expense of selling a next gen console isn't consumer friendly at all. In fact its anti-early adopters friendly for those who are excited about Series X and are willing to splash out $600 to play next gen games. Like I've been raving on about for the last months, Xbox One isn't the only thing that'll hold Series X back. All Series X games also have to run on the average gaming pc, and assuming its real, the 4Tflops Lockhart.

I honestly expected that I had to upgrade my pc for next gen but even the MS games, that are skipping current gen, will run fine on my modest GTX1060. On one hand its great that I don't have to upgrade, but its also why everything they showed looks so underwhelming. Hell, I am already playing Ori in 1440p and 120fps right now. So yeah, MS is seriously lacking that next gen thrill that typically comes at the start of a new console generation.

Now, why would MS focus on A or AA games? Because its working for them. Look at the list of most popular games on GP and this is what you'll see. 

  • Recore
  • Bleeding Edge
  • Minecraft Dungeons
  • State of Decay 2
  • Disneyland adventures
  • Gears Tactics
  • Sea of Thieves
  • Ori

AA or A games doesn't mean it has to suck, though. I love Ori, Gears Tactics and am looking forward to playing Grounded. But would I have bought them at full retail price, and are those really the kind of games that will push console sales? Of course not. They are low risk, high output games that are perfect for keeping people subscribed to GP. 

Does that mean we won't see any AAA games from ms at all? Honestly, its hard to say when they literally haven't showed us anything. Fable and Avowed could be amazing single player games. But if MS had to choose between a one-time AAA single player experience, or turning them into MMO's that can potentially keep people engaged to GP for months, what do you think they'd pick? They've already turned the Halo franchise into a GAAS and said that there won't be a new Halo coming... EVER...