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goopy20 on 27 July 2020
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sales2099 said:
goopy20 said:

Its weird that you still don't see the downsides of GP after that Halo reveal. I hope you now at least realize that scalable graphics don't really work as Phil Spencer made it out to be.

Like I been saying for months. GP is great and offers amazing value, but there are some major drawbacks when it comes at the expense of supporting and selling their next gen console. For the second time we've now seen that it'll be hard to really take full advantage of the Series X hardware. But more importantly, GP probably wouldn't work with high budget AAA games that typically take 3 to 5 years to make. The GP business model strives on A/AA titles and a quantity over quality approach. Games that bombed, both in critical acclaim and at at retail, are now valuable GP filler for MS and they need a lot of them to keep people subscribed. 

The truth is that from half the games you mentioned, we have no idea what they are and when they will be coming out. It could be 4 years from now before we see Fable or Avowed, and even then we have no idea if they will be Skyrim/ Witcher beaters, or if they will end up on Ms's vast list of 60 Metacritic exclusives. 

Look, of course you want to see AAA exclusives on your platform of choice, we all do. But just like with Kinect, MS's corporate strategy will again directly influence what kind of games we'll see rolling out of those 14 studios. They turned Halo into a GAAS title FFS, Everwild is supposed to fairy tale version of Sea of Thieves, and I'm willing to bet Fable and Avowed eventually show up as MMO's. Those are the kind of games MS needs to keep GP users engaged and subscribed to their service, not the AAA blockbusters Sony has, that come out once every 3 years. 

 

Xbox changed their stance apparently...most game reveals we saw don’t have a Xbox One version. Your narrative is a bust, the cross gen initiative just applies to Halo and the smaller stuff like Grounded and Psychonauts, Tell Me Why, etc. Big games aren’t affected. Not even Everwild has a Xbox One version anymore. 

Game Pass needs a mix of A-AAA. Games from Ori, Grounded, to Hellblade 2 and Avowed. AAA games drive the service like Gears 5 and Forza Horizon 4 before. A-AA is to pad out the year and keep people invested in interesting experiences. If you respond and tell me Avowed and Fable aren’t going to be AAA then that’s straight up trolling. Even Hellblade 2 and SoD3 is supposed to be AAA. 

I keep saying it here, but you telling me some games are a ways away just tells me Xbox is done with game droughts. They have enough studios to ensure that doesn’t happen. Don’t spread false rumors, Fable is confirmed to not be a MMO. 

Yeah, they sure did. But don't you find that odd after all the stuff Phil's been saying about not leaving anyone behind? To me it feels like they put a strategy in motion but after the May event, they realized it wasn't such a great idea after all and now they're backpedaling.

I respect that you're a loyal Xbox fan but even you have to admit that MS had a lot to prove after the disastrous May event. Would their cross gen strategy really not hold Halo back, would they show amazing new next gen AAA ip's, would the Initiative show their mind blowing AAAA title? All we got is confirmation that "Optimized for Series X" means nothing - besides a bump in framerate and resolution - even when their flag ship title was supposedly natively designed for Series X. They also showed that they have nothing truly next gen planned for the near future. That's why they had to resort to cgi smoke and mirrors and there's no way to take the Hell Blade 2 footage serious anymore. Like Runa said, it's the same empty promises we've been hearing since 2013 and MS has a spectacular history of under delivering. As always, we'll just have to wait and see with Fable and Avowed, but I hope you at least understand where all the skepticism is coming from.

I'm seriously curious what you think about 343 pulling a Destiny on us with the Halo franchise, though. As a big Halo fan myself, its bad enough that its a current gen game, but what's even worse is that they're not planning on making another Halo game for the coming decade...  After seeing what they're doing to Halo, I don't want MS to go anyway near developers like WB or buy any other studios, until we know for sure that they won't just use them for GAAS and GP fillers.