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There's some really shoddy maths going on this thread. If you guys want to calculate the business I suggest you look at the financial reports and actually see the business model first.

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Hopefully with amazing new games, that are also on disc


My youtube gaming page.

While I'm very happy with my PS4 Pro and the many great games that Sony has published and developed during this generation, I am starting to feel like they're gotten complacent in some ways. Not countering Gamepass and possibly XCloud are the most obvious. These are undeniably good offerings (Gamepass for sure, XCloud in theory) from XB that Sony hasn't even tried to compete with. The reality is that for most people, there's more value to be found in the XB ecosystem right now. Sony certainly has the best first party lineup, by a mile. Their VR offering is solid. But, those things have been the case for several years now. They've not done anything new. Their subscription service is not even in the same ballpark as GP, and they don't seem to have any interest in the play anywhere-type streaming. And that would be fine, if they were offering something else to excite me. But, they just don't seem to be doing anything new.

I think the best scenario for everyone is that XB is more competitive with Sony this gen, and that GP and XC are big successes. That'll push Sony forward, just as Sony's success has pushed XB forward over the last few years.

They will keep doing what they were doing before(and improving upon it), and they will still beat MS.

Honestly, I don't understand this MS x Sony. Microsft and Sony biggest competitor was, is and always will be Nintendo.

My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

I hope neither Sony or Nintendo ever adopt this model as their main strategy. GaaS never has, and never will appeal to me for console gaming.

Give me full fat £50 quality exclusives over the years that I happily own, share, play and replay.. over Nexflix style throwaway model, any day.

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sales2099 said:
DPsx7 said:

I was just about to write the same thing. Sony has everything in a good spot right now and I'm sure they'll think of the PS3 launch before trying to get too crazy again. They don't HAVE to copy everything the competition does.

That’s a interesting take. Given all the games we will see tomorrow 1st party, the value proposition of GP is staggering. $120-180 (GPU)  a year for all you can play, never mind the 3rd party offerings and I could in theory save hundreds a year if you and me were to play the same # of games.

To argue against Game Pass is to advocate spending more money with games now being $70 next gen likely. If I play 20 games in 2021 for $180 you would pay $800-1400 to play the same number (assuming many games aren’t full price or smaller titles). Either that or you play less games a year then me to save money.

So it’s hard to understand why you wouldn’t want Sony to emulate what is a very consumer friendly service. Genuinely curious as to what your perspective is. 

I think you lost a little bit the focus on the question.

Is about how sony will respond, not how we wish itd respond. As you can read in comments above, sony doesnt feel treatened by GP, as they continue being successful with their bussines model. On the other hand, of course we would like cheaper games, and to spend less money, but that doesnt mean sony will "give us" this, if its doing pretty well as for now.


"We all make choices, but in the end, our choices make us" - Andrew Ryan, Bioshock.

The real issue is that Microsoft responded to Sony's exclusive lineup and strong hardware sales with Gamepass.

Azzanation said:
Barkley said:

I'm still unconvinced on the business value of gamepass. Sony only has to sell me two 1st party games over a 28 months period and they've made more profit from me than MS has from me getting gamepass.

At the very least the insane firesale Microsoft did must have completely scuppered their profits. I paid £76 for 28 months of Gamepass Ultimate. And remember that not all of that £76 is going to microsoft, it's going to third parties too. Now they're going to add cloud gaming on top of that?

Maybe at full price gamepass is an earner, but their bottom-line must be really hurting for everyone that took the insane offer of upgrading from gold to gamepass ultimate for free.

What should have cost me £307 (at £10.99/month) cost me just £76. Gamepass is directly hurting their profits from individuals like me.

You are missing the point tho. Subscribers to GamePass don't own the titles, so MS isn't exactly losing a game, you are renting it, and they will be renting their games to a lot of people that aren't normally interested into the games either.

GamePass is free marketing for the games. With the full retail versions, people can pay for it than return it a week later getting a full refund on the game. With GamePass, MS has already made their money. It also promotes their store front which is more profitable than paying for it at retail level.

GamePass also grants discounts to the full digital games as well. So if you enjoy playing Grounded, and wish to purchase the full game, sometimes they take 10% to 20% off the price if you are a member. 

MS's direction with GP is quite simple, instead of having 30% of your audience subscribing to Live, they are aiming to have most if not all members subscribe to GP. Now lets do the maths..

Example: $10 by 1 year is $120, times that by 20m Subscribers = 240m in just 1 year of service and that's only at 20m subs. 240m now times that by 3 years = 720m. That's how they make there money and that's not including digital purchases, there Live members and their retail sales. GamePass is a long term investment not a short term investment. It not only cuts out the middle men in Retail but it is a service that will continue to grow and with 14+ gaming studios placing all their games on the service, its not rocket science that it will be driven well.

Actualy it's 2.4B/year at 20M subs

You can never get something like gamepass completely replace gaming without hurting developers profit and diversity/quantity right?

Immersiveunreality said:
You can never get something like gamepass completely replace gaming without hurting developers profit and diversity/quantity right?

Yes and too many people don't understand why.

Gamepass means MS is the gatekeeper. Whereas before you had the market decide on the allocation of revenue now you have MS decide how much each dev gets to be paid, which is far more inefficient and will lead to under and over evaluation.

In addition, SP AAA games will take the backseat as MS would want players to continue to renew their subs, hence games as a service. We already see this with Halo, Forza, and rumoured to be Fable. In fact any game that goes against MS's ambition will be hurt as MS is the curator now, whereas before it was the market.