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Agente42 said:
sales2099 said:

Fascism rose under a socialist policy. Basically, get the masses pissed off at the current government, promise free stuff and that things will get better. Once in power, Germany then implemented a fascism regime. 

They kind of go hand in hand. Today Democrats  pride themselves on speech censorship, and condone violence against conservatives. All in the name of what they think is right and any other opinion is swiftly silenced. Disagree and you loose your job or get death threats. To me where as historically we dealt with right wing fascism, today we seeing the rise in left wing fascism. Both used Socialism to gain influence. Both take away rights for the greater good of the state. Both suppress freedoms of individuals. 

You are wrong. Way wrong. That's debate is over on 1940 and settle. It's no remotely the same thing. It's a superficial and wrong comparison.  First, fascism doesn't rose under a socialist policy, German is a capitalist country, and the party has socialism only the name. The view is far away from socialism or any egalitarianism. Nazi German promote companies, private companies. The historical fascist has right-wing roots, and nazi has American intolerant roots.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

The historical fascist is the right side. The new fascism is too. 

The link is so deliciously left wing. “Socialism only the name” really.....that’s your counter? Like I said right or left there are 2 constants: Talk up socialist policies to get elected. And suppress the individual for the greater benefit of the state. 

While I appreciate you calling Democrat’s modern fascists, they tend to identify on the left. Speech suppression, economic pressure (job loss if speak out), authorizing violence and destruction of property against groups of people. Not bigots but average conservatives. Left wing fascism is just as dangerous, which is also pro-socialism.



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sales2099 said:
Agente42 said:

You are wrong. Way wrong. That's debate is over on 1940 and settle. It's no remotely the same thing. It's a superficial and wrong comparison.  First, fascism doesn't rose under a socialist policy, German is a capitalist country, and the party has socialism only the name. The view is far away from socialism or any egalitarianism. Nazi German promote companies, private companies. The historical fascist has right-wing roots, and nazi has American intolerant roots.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/30/how-american-racism-influenced-hitler

The historical fascist is the right side. The new fascism is too. 

The link is so deliciously left wing. “Socialism only the name” really.....that’s your counter? Like I said right or left there are 2 constants: Talk up socialist policies to get elected. And suppress the individual for the greater benefit of the state. 

While I appreciate you calling Democrat’s modern fascists, they tend to identify on the left. Speech suppression, economic pressure (job loss if speak out), authorizing violence and destruction of property against groups of people. Not bigots but average conservatives. Left wing fascism is just as dangerous, which is also pro-socialism.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

So yes, in name only. They attracted socialists with their socialist branding, but killed them of in the night of the long knives in 1934 after they served their purpose of winning the election with their misleading name.

Otherwise, why not give the statue of liberty to North Korea? I mean, can't be more free than a People's Democratic Republic, right? Dictators have always sought to find names that resonate with the people, most of the time without adhering to their meaning even in the slightest.

Also again, what socialist would take big money from big corporations who want them to remove worker protection rights? That's exactly what the big German Industrials like the Krupp and Porsche families were doing, and Hitler and the entire NSDAP happily agreed. No socialist would ever do that.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
sales2099 said:

The link is so deliciously left wing. “Socialism only the name” really.....that’s your counter? Like I said right or left there are 2 constants: Talk up socialist policies to get elected. And suppress the individual for the greater benefit of the state. 

While I appreciate you calling Democrat’s modern fascists, they tend to identify on the left. Speech suppression, economic pressure (job loss if speak out), authorizing violence and destruction of property against groups of people. Not bigots but average conservatives. Left wing fascism is just as dangerous, which is also pro-socialism.

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

So yes, in name only. They attracted socialists with their socialist branding, but killed them of in the night of the long knives in 1934 after they served their purpose of winning the election with their misleading name.

Otherwise, why not give the statue of liberty to North Korea? I mean, can't be more free than a People's Democratic Republic, right? Dictators have always sought to find names that resonate with the people, most of the time without adhering to their meaning even in the slightest.

Also again, what socialist would take big money from big corporations who want them to remove worker protection rights? That's exactly what the big German Industrials like the Krupp and Porsche families were doing, and Hitler and the entire NSDAP happily agreed. No socialist would ever do that.

I’d say that plays into my stance. Bait and switch. Get elected via Socialism and then transition into fascism.

It always leads to complete government oversight. Suppression of the individual and prioritizing the prosperity of the state. Which is never good on both counts. 



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I'm going to dress up as a socialist tomorrow.



I have no stake in this matter. But I’m curious. For those against socialism, what are your feelings on programs such as social security, Medicare/Medicaid, and other programs that were supposedly driven from concepts of socialism? If you don’t like those programs, what are your potential solutions to meeting the needs that these programs are meeting?



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sales2099 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

So yes, in name only. They attracted socialists with their socialist branding, but killed them of in the night of the long knives in 1934 after they served their purpose of winning the election with their misleading name.

Otherwise, why not give the statue of liberty to North Korea? I mean, can't be more free than a People's Democratic Republic, right? Dictators have always sought to find names that resonate with the people, most of the time without adhering to their meaning even in the slightest.

Also again, what socialist would take big money from big corporations who want them to remove worker protection rights? That's exactly what the big German Industrials like the Krupp and Porsche families were doing, and Hitler and the entire NSDAP happily agreed. No socialist would ever do that.

I’d say that plays into my stance. Bait and switch. Get elected via Socialism and then transition into fascism.

It always leads to complete government oversight. Suppression of the individual and prioritizing the prosperity of the state. Which is never good on both counts. 

So, the modus operandi of the Republicans? Trying to take away voting rights and healthcare from the poorer people to get the stock market to boom and to finance an overbloated military.



Kai_Mao said:
I have no stake in this matter. But I’m curious. For those against socialism, what are your feelings on programs such as social security, Medicare/Medicaid, and other programs that were supposedly driven from concepts of socialism? If you don’t like those programs, what are your potential solutions to meeting the needs that these programs are meeting?

Canada has a great system. Semi high taxes for free medical and other government benefits. Can’t say I approve of all programs but most help people in a good way. But economy is pure capitalism. 



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
sales2099 said:

I’d say that plays into my stance. Bait and switch. Get elected via Socialism and then transition into fascism.

It always leads to complete government oversight. Suppression of the individual and prioritizing the prosperity of the state. Which is never good on both counts. 

So, the modus operandi of the Republicans? Trying to take away voting rights and healthcare from the poorer people to get the stock market to boom and to finance an overbloated military.

I think the points I mentioned about what Dems are doing is a little more impactful then having a hard time trying to vote. I never got this, just vote in person. I’m not American but I’m aware there is early voting and what not. If you can’t vote via mail do it in person. There will always be healthcare for working class citizens in one form or another. 



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Because putting the gouvernement in charge of everything might not always be such a good idea. It works wonders for China though.



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sales2099 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

So, the modus operandi of the Republicans? Trying to take away voting rights and healthcare from the poorer people to get the stock market to boom and to finance an overbloated military.

I think the points I mentioned about what Dems are doing is a little more impactful then having a hard time trying to vote. I never got this, just vote in person. I’m not American but I’m aware there is early voting and what not. If you can’t vote via mail do it in person. There will always be healthcare for working class citizens in one form or another. 

The thing is, you normally vote via mail because you can't vote in person for one reason or another. So removing the possibility to vote by mail is equal to not being able to vote at all for lots of people.

Also, care to explain why you think what the democrats are doing is more impactful and what exactly that is?