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snyps said:
Government is bad. Now please applaud my intellect.

Then why does every society have one?
What does a place without goverment look like?

Is it just wild tribe of natives? running around inside of a forrest or on some small island.
Are things that much better there?

We tend to group up, in large clusters.
Without goverment, we cant funktion once that happends.



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JRPGfan said:
snyps said:
Government is bad. Now please applaud my intellect.

Then why does every society have one?
What does a place without goverment look like?

Is it just wild tribe of natives? running around inside of a forrest or on some small island.
Are things that much better there?

We tend to group up, in large clusters.
Without goverment, we cant funktion once that happends.

I guess his sarcasm flought way over your head.



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JRPGfan said:
snyps said:
Government is bad. Now please applaud my intellect.

Then why does every society have one?
What does a place without goverment look like?

Is it just wild tribe of natives? running around inside of a forrest or on some small island.
Are things that much better there?

We tend to group up, in large clusters.
Without goverment, we cant funktion once that happends.

He was joking with his comment.

But a place without a goverment is a scary place yes,what would stop certain groups that decide to take a town for themselves and commit horrific acts to people they do think are lesser?

Without police we would have to arm ourselves and risk our own lives,or be victims.



Ka-pi96 said:
Eagle367 said:

I said what I said. It's not real socialism and it is socializing the losses while privatizing the gains for the wealthy. That is what we call corporate Socialism. There's another word called chroney capitalism but that is describing a different aspect of the same broken system. The all encompassing term for the current US is an oligarchy or a plutocracy.

Yeah, that's definitely not socialism.

It would be like socialism if the government turned round and said "we own your ass now so you're going to stop ripping people off or else!" when they "bail" businesses out.

But while they just say "enjoy your free money " it's definitely not socialism.

As I said it's not real socialism, it's corporate socialism



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JRPGfan said:
snyps said:
Government is bad. Now please applaud my intellect.

Then why does every society have one?
What does a place without goverment look like?

Is it just wild tribe of natives? running around inside of a forrest or on some small island.
Are things that much better there?

We tend to group up, in large clusters.
Without goverment, we cant funktion once that happends.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. BUT to answer your question... and speaking only as an American .. Madison wrote the constitution and the Rebels adopted it because rule of law is necessary! Being that he and the Rebels knew that governments become corrupt (it’s inevitable in all cases) they agreed to a constitution that put government in bondage. 

The US Federal government has limited authority. Congress’s authority is enumerated. Find it here https://www.thoughtco.com/constitution-article-i-section-8-3322343

The US Federal Government used Prohibition, the creation of the Federal Reserve, War on Drugs, and War on Terror - to unchain itself from constitutional bondage. Killing over seas and exploiting foreign resources is common now, Imprisoning 25% of its own population for victimless crimes is common now, 30 years of indentured servitude to own a home is common now. 

There were no Federal Taxes for 100 years after our revolution. Federal Funding came from tariffs. Each State taxed and policed itself. Land was Individually occupied and used which gave property rights to the family Improving on it. Just like the Natives method of land ownership. 

what did the US look like with this lawlessness? It was the “Old West”. Manners were the difference between life and death. Bandits were in and out so community stood up for each other’s safety. It was a hard life — it’s arguably harder now that now that so many are dependent on low wages to scratch at a living.

Now there’s homeless, drug addicted, over crowded streets. There’s so many laws that we each break at least one a day and either don’t know or don’t care. Until we get caught. Then we get extorted for hundreds of dollars. Which is fine if you’re wealthy. But most of us aren’t. A fine can ruin your whole year. It’s become a classist system. 

Im not against the way things are. I’m getting by ok. But I would like to find land no one is using and improve on it and call it mine. I would like to police myself. I would like to rely on community to create my safety. I would like to set free all people convicted of victimless crimes. I’d like to stop the killing of foreign families and Stop exploitation of foreign resources. In the mean while, I’ll happily enjoy my modern conveniences and simply abstain from voting for the duopoly. 

Too much Government is an awful thing. Some Government is necessary! Socialist economy, where company ownership is shared amongst the workers is the awesomest idea. However a socialist government is too much government. Socialist government provides everything and to do so it takes everything. That strips independence and creates pure dependence. And anything it gives it can also take away. 

True happiness comes from independence. Ask anyone who has no choice but to submit. 



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I oppose it 1000%. I also oppose a lot of the welfare programs already in our country. As for those saying Americans support socialism, well not really. The truth is most of those are newer Americans (less American) and illegal immigrants or those that exploited loop holes. The vast majority of real Americans still oppose socialism and that was pretty evident when Biden routed Bernie. Bernie even lost support in his home state of Vermont even if add his to Warren's numbers (and she was moving herself closer to center during this campaign as opposed to 2016). So the irony of all of this is that Biden's movement further left might actually help Trump in the end. No idea if that will happen. Before coronavirus I was sure Trump would win, but right now it appears like a Biden landslide. Really too early to tell especially once Trump destroys Biden in debates as I expect.

As for why we oppose socialism? It's garbage and there's plenty of economic theory on why it ruins societies. Frankly I don't support BLM or any of these far left movements. Also, I'm mixed raced and have ancestors that fought in WW2, Civil War, and Revolutionary War. Frankly I'm tired of the anti-American sentiment. It's why I wouldn't even support white Europeans immigrating to our country. Most of us were here to get rid of all the wrongs and degeneracy that takes place in the rest of the world and now it's invading ours. Socialism has been a problem since FDR and it's been made worse since the 1960s. Truly most Americans are against socialism. It never worked and our country was made great generations ago because of the industrial revolution and capitalism from a moral class of people that are not properly represented today. 



Hate free markets all you want, the US would have never have challenged the British Empire for dominance/supremacy without it (and the Empire wasn't exactly socialist ie the only thing that could beat it was even more free-er markets or no war for survival).

Every $ of debt the US absorbs makes them weaker and China stronger yet 'the West' has the ability to match China easily and combined with India could make China irrelevant.

No more than 10% of the population requires welfare so if the rest of us pay ~10% extra so that the 'unproductive' can be subsidised long enough to become productive then we have a long term, successful business model that has already been proven to work.

Or the US borrows trillions from China to pay for University fees where students don't even go to university or learn communist nonsense disguised as science..

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FormerlyTeamSilent13 said:

I oppose it 1000%. I also oppose a lot of the welfare programs already in our country. As for those saying Americans support socialism, well not really. The truth is most of those are newer Americans (less American) and illegal immigrants or those that exploited loop holes. The vast majority of real Americans still oppose socialism and that was pretty evident when Biden routed Bernie. Bernie even lost support in his home state of Vermont even if add his to Warren's numbers (and she was moving herself closer to center during this campaign as opposed to 2016). So the irony of all of this is that Biden's movement further left might actually help Trump in the end. No idea if that will happen. Before coronavirus I was sure Trump would win, but right now it appears like a Biden landslide. Really too early to tell especially once Trump destroys Biden in debates as I expect.

As for why we oppose socialism? It's garbage and there's plenty of economic theory on why it ruins societies. Frankly I don't support BLM or any of these far left movements. Also, I'm mixed raced and have ancestors that fought in WW2, Civil War, and Revolutionary War. Frankly I'm tired of the anti-American sentiment. It's why I wouldn't even support white Europeans immigrating to our country. Most of us were here to get rid of all the wrongs and degeneracy that takes place in the rest of the world and now it's invading ours. Socialism has been a problem since FDR and it's been made worse since the 1960s. Truly most Americans are against socialism. It never worked and our country was made great generations ago because of the industrial revolution and capitalism from a moral class of people that are not properly represented today. 

I would like to see it your way but it is so hard to do when you are less american than native americans so your opinion does not matter. (sarcasm)



If the US diverted it's military spending to health like the British Empire did when it realised it could give everyone 'free' healthcare at the cost of 'Empire', they'll end up with some of the shittest healthcare on the planet per $ spent but will laud it as being the best in the world even though tens of thousands die of plague while other countries with less 'communist' healthcare systems embarrass you with 20% of the same budget.



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UK went socialist after WW2 because 'winning' taught us that nationalism/socialism wins wars. Germany humiliated us by avoiding socialism at all costs.

We blew our Marshall Plan money on socialist healthcare while Germany used the cash to rebuild their industrial base and within 20 years they could have took/did take over Europe again.

Germany hates debt and as a result has been able to dominate Europe 3 times in the last 100years. The English pound was the most successful currency in all of history until they left the gold standard.

You can only ignore reality for so long.



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