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KratosLives said:
I agree with sony, those who just don't get the game need to be educated.

Hahahaha brilliant!

Wait... that was sarcasm right?



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Bonzinga said:
KratosLives said:
I agree with sony, those who just don't get the game need to be educated.

Interesting, so if you dont like a game, you need to be educated in liking it?

The justifications used to not like the game are terrible. And they pretty much all come from a common background.  



Bonzinga said:

TLOU2 is by far the most controversial game ever released. It sits on a incredible score of a 94 metacritic, putting it in the heavy weight league. However..

Information has surfaced that Sony has gone out of there way to hunt down the low-end review scores and trying to convince reviewers to change there opinion or at best disagree with the scores given.

I found this information from DreamCast Guy, someone who actually really likes Sony and their games. However if this is true, this is not morally right for companies to go out of there way to convince professional journalist to have a better opinion. Now DreamCast Guy isn't someone i take too serious or should you, however his sources and info can be quite interesting especially in this case..

>>MUST WATCH<<

DreamCast Guy said it best "the game doesn't need to be perfect."

Here is a quick run down on the situation.

Polygon's Vice President Rob Zacny's review piece. No score was given however the review was not positive about the game.

https://www.polygon.com/reviews/2020/6/12/21288535/the-last-of-us-part-2-review-ps4-naughty-dog-ellie-joel-violence

Sony sent out a representative to seek out Rob Zacny 

Sony weren't happy with his point of view

Personally, no company should have the right to question others about there opinions. Lets hope this is all just misinterpreted. I figured this was interesting news and thought this might make a good 1st thread to discuss about. 

Please people, stop with this crap and nonsense, this is olny bad for you. The Game will sell millions and millions, there is nothing you can do to stop this or discredit the Game; TLOU Part II is not controversial, it's easy as you see on Meta, it's a masterpiece. At least use your brain.  As I already said, You think a 30% of reviewers have been biased going too high or too low, ok just remove the Top 15 scores and the bottom 15 scores, and you might get a more reliable Meta Score, of course suspecting that some media have been persuaded to change their minds and give a higher mark, and others on the other hand would have sunk the game for clickbait, homophobia, or incentives from rival companies. 

 Please stop making a fool of yourself, it's only bad for you.

 



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KratosLives said:
Bonzinga said:

Interesting, so if you dont like a game, you need to be educated in liking it?

The justifications used to not like the game are terrible. And they pretty much all come from a common background.  

All i have seen in these threads is you getting offended by others that do not like the game and yourself praising it in high heavens like there isnt a single flaw,and you think you're justified doing that?



KratosLives said:
Bonzinga said:

Interesting, so if you dont like a game, you need to be educated in liking it?

The justifications used to not like the game are terrible. And they pretty much all come from a common background.  

What if someone doesn't like apocalypse type games, third person, or anything dealing with this genre.  Not everyone likes the same genres or game settings.  I'm sure you don't like most of my favorite games.



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I think I'm getting a bit dizzy reading some of the comments on this thread. It... It can't be. There's no way people can just willingly not only acknowledge this, but think it's something good.

I can't believe how far people are willing to go in order to defend a stupid videogame and a developer that constantly abuses their employees. Absolutely insane.



Fei-Hung said:
Not wanting to make this about ND or simply just the games industry. I think some reviewers, journalists, media, critics are to blame for this as well as some publishers, developers.

As a Muslim and a minority I have faced this for over twenty years. Someone decides to review / analyse you as a group, as a community, as a race, but they pick and choose the points they will analyse and this often leads to a one sided review.

It's like with the recent BLM movements where people protested, but the stories which many outlets chose to highlight were the looting.

Or when speaking about immigrants, you only concentrate on those who have committed crimes, but ignore all the others who have made a positive impact through their contributions. E.g Steve jobs, freddy Mercury, the doctors, nurses etc. All this is simply boiled down to immigrants are this or that.

It's like GTAIV or any GTA for that matter where the outlets choose to only review and analyse the positives whilst in other games they will choose to analyse all and compare.

If a journalist only highlights the negative, ignores the positive or chooses not to speak about them, they become part of the problem, so when they do get questioned, it's only right.

Class example is the Killzone series. First big console game with mechs, jetpacks, dynamic mp maps, dynamic missions in mp, shooting from cover in a fps but most of these things were ignored by most outlets and then the credit given to games which followed like Brink, TF and Battlefield.

If I was to be considered a fair and professional reviewer and I chose to omit things that could be / are actually good and positive, then I shouldn't be surprised for being called out unless I state why I don't like these things so they're is reasoning beyond just meh it's rubbish or not covering them at all.

This ultimately to me is what separates a good critical opinion from a lazy / biased one. It is something that has plagued this industry for a long time, especially with big games and franchises, often leaving lesser known games and developers on the receiving end.

It's important that you read the polygon article mentioned in the video, and look at DCG's actual review of TLOU2, it's one of the best out there, and I've watched a few. It highlights the points where the game shines, but points out the single glaring flaw. If you understand that flaw, it  will help ND evolve. I'll let you watch it. https://youtu.be/Oc7iWZqyWQ4

In the Polygon article,  Rob Zacny from Vice mentions a nuanced opinion, not a one-sided view. Your post is very well written and often true, but unfortunately it's misinformed on the topic at hand and ultimately not true in this case. Here is the excerpt that matters:

"The vibe around the game hasn’t gotten much better since then. On June 12, Vice published its review of The Last of Us Part 2, in which critic Rob Zacny said that while the game had “memorable moments” that made for great “spectacle,” he was less taken with the story and characters. “Nobody ever reconsiders their quest for vengeance,” Zacny wrote. “Everyone acts under a kind of vindictive compulsion that goes little remarked and unexamined.” Zacny went on to describe the game’s message as complacent, full of “oppressive bleakness and violence.”"

So, underlined is positive, bold is negative, in other words: nuanced. You will notice that DCG's review mentioned the same problem, so perhaps it's not a gangup. Perhaps there's a real problem in the way the game's overall narrative is constructed that made gamers feel forced to do bad things without the characters being questioned about it, without having any valid reason for doing it. Just maybe?



The problem with this whole thread is that some people seem to have decided that Sony contacted reviewers with either threats or bribes. But, there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that at all. Simply calling reviewers and asking them things or advocating for the company's position is not in any way dishonest or morally wrong. It's what you're supposed to do to run a good business. And, we don't know that Sony did anything more than that.

If people are going to jump to the conclusion that Sony is doing something wrong just because they reached out to critics, there's really no way to have a conversation about this. People are just deciding that something bad happened with no evidence of it at all.

Last edited by VAMatt - on 02 July 2020

Any real evidence?



 

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