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How do you think MS will perform at the July presentation?

MS will be in a league of its own 5 6.25%
 
MS will do better than the PS5 presentation 14 17.50%
 
MS will do as good as the PS5 presentation 13 16.25%
 
MS will do less well than... 48 60.00%
 
Total:80
Angelus on 28 June 2020
hinch said:
Angelus said:

I guess there better not be any Series X games that are technically superior to the top end PS5 games then. Would be a bad look if the console that's being held back by last gen ends up outflexing the console that's completely unshackled from any such burdens.

Where did he mention PS5? Cross generation games like Halo:Infinite will have to be optimised to run on all consoles to Xbox One (S). We've already seen a teaser trailer of it and its doesn't look that impressive for a gen 9 title for a cut-scene with 2 characters in it. They also have Lockheart as well to look out for so it wont just be last gen.

I mentioned it. 

I didn't mention Halo, though I'm glad we've now established that the game will not look very impressive, so that also better not be technically superior to any PS5 launch game.



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sales2099 on 28 June 2020
SvennoJ said:
padib said:

Thanks, I took some time to make it, but still I uploaded the video from another source.

I think that Microsoft is going in a direction that always matched its pedigree, which is to be as accessible as possible, be it from the ease of development, the ease of porting, the ease of connecting between players, to now the new ease of playing (Gamepass, XCloud, cross-play, All-access, backwards compatibility and PC ports). I believe that their approach to doing all of these at the same time and not one or the other is what is their strength right now. I think it's a culmination of the lessons they learned from all their mistakes in the past, and I see that they're well positioned for the next gen, be it in game distribution, increase in exclusive software, the increased variety of the games on offer and hardware capabilities of the latest console.

So yes the games should do the talking, but MS is increasing the discussion - between the players and the games - as more games can be played by more players.

I feel MS is spreading themselves too thin by wanting to be everywhere. They don't have a great track record providing software throughout any generation and seem more interested getting more people into their eco system. Offering more choice is a doubled edged sword. I like simplicity, get the best tailor made software for the next 7 years on an easy to use box.

Yep, MS is positioning themselves to be everywhere, most powerful console, likely cheapest alternative, everything cross-gen for the first 2 years, lot of effort into BC, putting everything on PC as well, Gamepass, xCloud, Games with gold, GAAS. They want to be first party, second and third all at the same time. (Yet ignore VR) What you think of as a strength, is what has me concerned. MS seems to lack focus and feels indecisive to me. Nintendo is doing amazing with their razor sharp focus, MS is spinning too many plates imo. Yet MS is a huge company, perhaps they can pull it off. If not by delivering great games, they're still a great place for 3rd party games.

It’s not like they doing everything all at once. Game Pass released 2 years ago and has improved dramatically to where we are today.

Xcloud has seen extensive beta testing and will launch when Ms knows it’s ready. They spent billions over several years to be the top provider of steaming services.

PC is literally their devs making an additional version to console, with their software tools making the development easy with minimum effort. Plus they have a OS monopoly with a integrated Xbox app, might as well make use of it (in addition to Steam). 

Making games is something they are only now learning how to truly do on a mass scale. But services and infrastructure is something that has always been their element. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

hinch on 28 June 2020
shikamaru317 said:
hinch said:

Where did he mention PS5? Cross generation games like Halo:Infinite will have to be optimised to run on all consoles to Xbox One (S). We've already seen a teaser trailer of it and its doesn't look that impressive for a gen 9 title for a cut-scene with 2 characters in it. They also have Lockheart as well to look out for so it wont just be last gen.

What makes you think those trailers were showing the XSX build of Halo Infinite? Everything in those trailers looked possible on XB1 X. I’ll be shocked if we don’t get footage of the XSX build on the July show that looks significantly better than the two trailers we already saw.

If that was 2019 build I doubt the graphics will improve that much. Besides, that was a cut scene. And they are crunching hard for this to launch with the console.



sales2099 on 28 June 2020
Angelus said:
hinch said:

Where did he mention PS5? Cross generation games like Halo:Infinite will have to be optimised to run on all consoles to Xbox One (S). We've already seen a teaser trailer of it and its doesn't look that impressive for a gen 9 title for a cut-scene with 2 characters in it. They also have Lockheart as well to look out for so it wont just be last gen.

I mentioned it. 

I didn't mention Halo, though I'm glad we've now established that the game will not look very impressive, so that also better not be technically superior to any PS5 launch game.

I think it can be on par with or more with Spiderman MM. It strikes me as a cross gen game limited to PS5 to spur demand. It’s an expansion, so one would think many of the base games assets are being reused to make it. Like Halo 3 ODST so no offence intended. I just have suspicions that it’s not built from the ground up on PS5, rather it’s optimized and made exclusive. Because it’s Spiderman after all, it’s good business to maximize demand with a insanely recognizable IP. 

That said I wouldn’t dismiss Halo so easily. We have yet to see it in action via gameplay. 
https://twitter.com/xcloudtimdog/status/1276173499028078592?s=21



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

hinch on 28 June 2020

Eh, delete. Not worth it.



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hinch on 28 June 2020
zero129 said:
hinch said:

Where did he mention PS5? Cross generation games like Halo:Infinite will have to be optimised to run on all consoles to Xbox One (S). We've already seen a teaser trailer of it and its doesn't look that impressive for a gen 9 title for a cut-scene with 2 characters in it. They also have Lockheart as well to look out for so it wont just be last gen.
  • Brand new games built natively for the Xbox Series X such as Halo Infinite.
  • Previously released titles in which a developer has enhanced their title using the Xbox Series X development environment to dramatically leverage the power and features Xbox Series X has to offer, like Gears 5.

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/444207/xbox-series-x-details-on-optimized-for-xbox-series-x/

halo Inf is being built for XBsX as its lead platform and being down ported to the other consoles.

Lets wait till july to see whats what.

That's not how game development works. You go from the ground up not port down.

Yeah only a few weeks to go. Can't wait to see what they have in store.

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sales2099 on 28 June 2020
hinch said:
zero129 said:
  • Brand new games built natively for the Xbox Series X such as Halo Infinite.
  • Previously released titles in which a developer has enhanced their title using the Xbox Series X development environment to dramatically leverage the power and features Xbox Series X has to offer, like Gears 5.

https://www.vgchartz.com/article/444207/xbox-series-x-details-on-optimized-for-xbox-series-x/

halo Inf is being built for XBsX as its lead platform and being down ported to the other consoles.

Lets wait till july to see whats what.

That's not how game development works. You go from the ground up not port down.

Yeah only a few weeks to go. Can't wait to see what they have in store.

https://twitter.com/xcloudtimdog/status/1276173499028078592?s=21

Plus Hellblade and Witcher 3 on Switch kinda disprove the theory. Far easier to port down then build up. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

errorpwns on 28 June 2020
vivster said:
It seems like Microsoft is very much content with their eternal 3rd place. Good for them. No reason to push yourself when you're already happy.

Willing to wager they made more off xbox live + 360 than Sony did with the PS3. Not to mention their other markets.

They may be 3rd place overall, but they weren't 3rd every gen.



Squall_Leonhart on 28 June 2020

Hardly unsurprising, if he said nothing then it would be looked at unfavourably... and they are hardly going to say he feels they are in a worse position now is he? Not really news 'Game console producer says they are confident of their product pre-launch'



Fei-Hung on 28 June 2020

If I remove the fluff, I think what we'll see is pretty much what everyone expects:

1. Gears, forza and halo.
2. Actual gameplay of sorts for Hellblade 2 and finishing the show with Fable teaser.

Graphically, I don't think anything will beat anything on the ps5, it's too early still. They might have things on par, but nothing like the R&C demo.

A lot of it will be about:
1) the most powerful console
2) xcloud
3) gamepass

I think the chicken game with the price will continue. They will announce price for lockhart, but not give away the price for the x.

What I gather from what Phil has said is in terms of games is:

1) more exclusives from 1st party
2) more story related games
3) combination of AAA, AA and smaller. It won't be like Sony where every studio churns out AAA games.

And yes, although MS have driven some innovation in the console world, they are not the only innovators.

Gamepass and Xcloud are MS's take on Gaikai /Psnow. Difference being you get big fans day one on gamepass and PSnow allows you to stream and download in one service. You can get access to both on PC and their own hardware, with MS pushing further with smaller devices.

Ultimately I think not much will change for the three:

1) MS's key goal has always been their OS and with the push and growth in service they can achieve that better each gen. They will do really well in this space and be better than Google and amazon. In terms of exclusive content, they will be better than their past, but still not on sony's level.

2) Sony has always been about hardware and games and will continue to be. Their service will be similar but not as far reaching and accessible as MS's, especially for day one games.

3) Nintendo will continue to be the Disney and apple of gaming.

Side note: if Phil is who he says he is, bring me a new Otogi.