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When will NSW2 come out?

2022 Holiday 15 11.19%
 
2023 Spring 19 14.18%
 
2023 Holiday 25 18.66%
 
2024 Spring 38 28.36%
 
2024 Holiday 23 17.16%
 
2025 Spring 10 7.46%
 
2025 Holiday 3 2.24%
 
2026+ 1 0.75%
 
Total:134
Alby_da_Wolf said:

2024. As long as games not developed on NS first will be developed for PS4 and XBOne too, there will be little or no difficulty at all porting them to NS too

There is already a lot of difficulty porting to Switch from PS4/Xbox One, so much so that most AAA games skip the platform entirely, those that don't often come late and require entire seperate teams. With the event of PS5/SX, games will also become less optimised for PS4/Xbox One 



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Otter said:
archbrix said:

First off, no, 3DS wasn't dropped like a rock, but for the sake of argument... so what?  The point is that it was Nintendo's money maker, didn't live up to their expectations and it still got six years of life and dev support before their next console.  Switch's life before its successor won't be shorter than the 3DS.

Second, if you think that "No one is expecting the Switch to be replaced in 2022" then you haven't been paying attention. There are plenty of people who erroneously believe that Nintendo will release a new, more powerful Switch to combat the arrival of the new consoles.  Will there be a redesign of the current Switch?  Inevitably.  But will there be an all new console that supports an all new library?  Not any time soon.  And yes, when Switch 2 does arrive it will be backwards compatible just like Series X/One, obviously.



lol, I am one of those people. What I'm saying is that people's concepts of console succession and commercial success are very rigid. Times are changing. 

If you see the Switch as the 3DS' successor, that was a hard reset where Switch immediately received flagship Nintendo games that were not available on the 3DS. A lot of them. When people talk about a Switch 2 in 2022, many of us are not talking about a platform which arrives and forces the OG Switch out of the market right away with a whole bunch of exclusive Nintendo experiences.

Also Arbirary comparison don't make the best sense here, the 3DS may never reach the Gameboy Advance 81m figure but the GBA was replaced a lot quicker (4years). 

Remember the new3DS/DSi? These received exclusive software, and were weird late gen updates. Instead of doing a weird refresh or simply having a Switch Pro, I think Nintendo will just have a new Switch which will eventually transition into its own platform. Nintendo has found their mojo now and I think will more aggressively keep people in their echosystem and expand their online services with iterative hardware & soft generational leaps. No more starting from zero every 6 years.

This is an extremely safe business direction, the main counter argument is that it hasn't been done before in the game space but we can see MS moving towards this. The other thing is people are more obsessed by unit sales of individual platforms then they are about the actual stability and share value of Nintendo the company.

I think the Switch 2's release will not be based on the current Switch's sales. The Switch will inevitably be in decline in 2022, it's just a matter of when Nintendo feel the technology is right to offer a generational leap because I don't think Switch 2 will have any USP compared to Switch 1. And just as the Tegra X1 was released 2 years prior to the actual Switch, a Switch 2 in 2022 will not actually be any weaker than if the platform was released in 2024. A hard generational transition forces you to launch at a more accessible price since your entire business is leaning towards the new platform. A soft transition gives room for the Switch 2 to start at a premium price and live next to the more mass market $199-249 Switch for casuals, budget house holds and late adopters.

Something akin to the New 3DS or DSi is not what I'm referring to - that's entirely possible when they announce their redesign of the current Switch.  That is not Switch 2, which will be an entirely new system with the start of a new library for the 10th gen.  This splits the user base and the developers' priorities as well.  New 3DS had only a handful of exclusives, with Xenoblade and Fire Emblem Warriors being most notable, and the DSi had even less.  Not the same thing at all.  The idea that Nintendo would release a more powerful system so soon just to cater to 3rd parties is a recipe for disaster on so many levels.

Gameboy Advance was facing impending competition from Sony with PSP.  Nintendo was set with a touch screen gaming device years before iPhone or iPod Touch.  Launching the DS when they did was indisputably the right thing to do; I remember at E3 before launch, Iwata himself said that he was most proud of the DS out of all of Nintendo's accomplishments.  That was the power of the DS and Nintendo knew this.  The Switch faces zero direct competition on the horizon and its sales in its fourth year will far exceed what the GBA was doing aligned.

But you have made yourself clear to me now:  The majority of your argument hinges on the fallacy that Switch's sales will be in a dangerous decline come 2022.  If a redesign is indeed released in 2021, Switch's sales will be over 20m again, and 2022 will see shipments sales well above 15m; far more than the ~7m that the 3DS garnered in its 6th year.

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Otter said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

2024. As long as games not developed on NS first will be developed for PS4 and XBOne too, there will be little or no difficulty at all porting them to NS too

There is already a lot of difficulty porting to Switch from PS4/Xbox One, so much so that most AAA games skip the platform entirely, those that don't often come late and require entire seperate teams. With the event of PS5/SX, games will also become less optimised for PS4/Xbox One 

More than conceptually difficult, I'd rather say that for AAA titles it may become time consuming. Scaling down textures and, if necessary, redesign the least important game item models with less polygons doesn't affect the gameplay and game engine, but AAA titles with a reputation on graphics to defend can't just scale down with mostly automatic tools, they must check and tweak the results carefully to keep them as good looking as possible even at lower res, this surely makes managers question the opportunity and profitability of some ports, but as far as we know some ports could be simply delayed to arrive when the NS user base will be larger than now. Another factor is that a large part of NS users are mostly great fans of titles developed for portables and/or family and party titles, this can make devs and publishers predict that some PC and home console titles would attract a too small share of NS users. Obviously this evaluation may be totally wrong, and anyhow those that must decide know that even a very pessimistic prediction about the percent of NS gamers interested in a game can eventually take to an absolute number worth the investment once the total NS user base becomes large enough.
Anyhow, I see that we both agree that the more games will become optimised for PS5 and XBSX, the more difficult NS ports will become, up to eventually become impossible.
I'd add another thing: NS shows Ninty that, at least for Ninty itself, hybrid is the way, so, even with a dropping 3rd party support, unless it drops really too fast,  a new NS can't come too soon, as it would make it too difficult to make it powerful enough when undocked. Luckily for Ninty, thanks to the faster growing mobile market,  ARM CPUs development can react faster than Intel and AMD to new requirements.



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I think the switch will last until 2024 spring at the very least. Nintendo still has a huge buttload of games it can bring to the console and in terms of sale, it's not slowing down any time soon. Also Ninty might want to enjoy the harvest period of the console for a bit longer so they could stretch it out as far as spring 2025. Right now looking at sales, it seems like Ninty can do no wrong. I won't be surprised to suddenly learn clubhouse has reached 1mil or something. You never know which Ninty game can be the next big thing like how Ring fit was. And every game franchise seems to be selling the best or close to the best on switch. The biggest example is Zelda.



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Amnesia said:
I am still a believer for a collapse of the sales after Christmas 2020 (the next in 6 months).
Then in 2021 a new console is presented, and it comes out in 2022.
It is not the announcement which makes collapse the sales in my scenario, but the Switch will simply run out of interest.

Post bookmarked for future reference. :p



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curl-6 said:
Amnesia said:
I am still a believer for a collapse of the sales after Christmas 2020 (the next in 6 months).
Then in 2021 a new console is presented, and it comes out in 2022.
It is not the announcement which makes collapse the sales in my scenario, but the Switch will simply run out of interest.

Post bookmarked for future reference. :p

im suprised you didn't agree with the content of that post



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curl-6 said:

Post bookmarked for future reference. :p

im suprised you didn't agree with the content of that post

I go back and forth depending on my level of anxiety and depression. For today, both are relatively in check.



Six months is not a long period to wait, we can check that.



shikamaru317 said:

I think we're going to see Switch 2 sooner than many seem to think. I will be shocked if Switch 2 isn't out by Spring 2023 personally. Next gen is coming soon and PS4/XB1 support will be dropped from 90% of games by Q2 2022. While it is affordable for a PS4/XB1 game to be downgraded to run on Switch, the downgrades required to get next-gen games to run on Switch will be far more extensive and costly. And I can't see Nintendo allowing 3rd party support to mostly disappear from 2022-2025, 3 whole years, lol, they know from past generations that 3rd party support is essential for success, 1st/2nd party and indies can only move but so many units before sales dry up. By Q1 2023 a Switch 2 with significantly better specs will be possible for $300-350, specs that aren't too much lower than the rumored 4 tflop Xbox Lockhart, which should make getting next-gen 3rd party support even easier for Nintendo to get than current gen 3rd party support on Switch 1. I absolutely expect Nintendo to take advantage of that.

I think you are not understanding truly why Wii U failed where the switch succeeded and severely underestimating the switch. The switch will continue to sell with or without big third party support. And support will still come because of the sales it has and the fact that it will have unreal engine 5. The really advanced 3rd party games aren't necessary for the switch's success or any Ninty console's success. Plus the tone of the console is set in the first 2 years and it;s really hard to shake that. If it's poor, turning it around requires a lot of effort and if it's really good, you have to screw up royally to make things go bad. Spring 2023 is the earliest, not the latest. Spring 2024 is the most reasonable and there's a possibility of spring 2025. People forget that the longer Ninty waits, the more advanced the switch 2 can be based on a reasonable price. 

So your assumption is that in 2023, it will be a big weaker than Lockhart. What if I'm 2024, it's a bit stronger and in 2025, it's much closer to XSeX than Lockhart. The switch will continue to sell so why wouldn't they just delay it a bit and make ,ore profit from it. They still haven't released a pro model that will extend the lifetime of the console even more. Or even made one price cut to the OG console.



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I actually don't think I'd want to have to wait until 2025 for Switch's successor.

Systems start get boring and feel stale after a while, and 8 years is just too long. Pretty sure by then I'll be sick of Switch.