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Have politics damaged the quality of ND games

No 28 39.44%
 
Yes 43 60.56%
 
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EnricoPallazzo said:

ND for me is a good representation of why the left destroys everything it touches. There is a strong need in not create something new, but always destroy what is already established and people love so from the ashes of it something "better" can flourish. If TLOU2 is the direction modern games are going, then unfortunately I believe it's not for me, thank God we still have Japan and I still have a huge backlog of games to play.

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EnricoPallazzo said:

ND for me is a good representation of why the left destroys everything it touches. There is a strong need in not create something new, but always destroy what is already established and people love so from the ashes of it something "better" can flourish. If TLOU2 is the direction modern games are going, then unfortunately I believe it's not for me, thank God we still have Japan and I still have a huge backlog of games to play.


Since U4 ND has been showing why people hate forced diversity in games, starting with Nadine, then the girl power in Lost Legacy and now the climax with TLOU2.

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The sex scene of Abby which was basically gross. I dont even know if she is really a woman anymore since its clear she has no boobs, maybe those scenes with her as a kid she was a boy, just as Lev was a girl. So that scene would be basically anal sex.

But it's all right, it's a left leaning game so they have a free pass to do whatever they want. And everything in the game is forced and it's all against the evil white male. I'm black btw. Well, half black.


I wont play or buy this game, and probably won't be playing Naughty Dog games anymore as it is clear the same route will be used also in future uncharted games and their future IP's. Creating a great a fun game is not important anymore, the political message must come first.
And you know what? If most people think this is alright and like it, so be it.

Yeah, that scene bothers the heck out of me too. Saw this on Twitter last night, and I 100% agree with it:

Spoiler!

Why is it that a realistic graphics, nude anal sex scene between a man and what seems to be a trans woman is acceptable to Sony, but Sony is censoring sexual content in Japanese games that isn't full nudity to begin with, even though the rating agencies like ESRB, CERO, and PEGI are totally ok with that content being in those games? 



When most reviews are about how progressive the narrative is, and how little they talk about actual gameplay, I'd say there is a problem. 
I will say this. (IN MY OPINION) Identity politics have zero place in pop culture. There is a time and place for everything. Considering how divided everybody already is, injecting politics into games or movies for no real reason only takes away a possible common ground between all of us. No matter who you are, what you believe in, we should all be able to enjoy movies and games. Yes artists can do as they please, but people should also be able to not purchase it or be a fan of it without being called _phobic or _ist.



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shikamaru317 said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

ND for me is a good representation of why the left destroys everything it touches. There is a strong need in not create something new, but always destroy what is already established and people love so from the ashes of it something "better" can flourish. If TLOU2 is the direction modern games are going, then unfortunately I believe it's not for me, thank God we still have Japan and I still have a huge backlog of games to play.


Since U4 ND has been showing why people hate forced diversity in games, starting with Nadine, then the girl power in Lost Legacy and now the climax with TLOU2.

Spoiler!
The sex scene of Abby which was basically gross. I dont even know if she is really a woman anymore since its clear she has no boobs, maybe those scenes with her as a kid she was a boy, just as Lev was a girl. So that scene would be basically anal sex.

But it's all right, it's a left leaning game so they have a free pass to do whatever they want. And everything in the game is forced and it's all against the evil white male. I'm black btw. Well, half black.


I wont play or buy this game, and probably won't be playing Naughty Dog games anymore as it is clear the same route will be used also in future uncharted games and their future IP's. Creating a great a fun game is not important anymore, the political message must come first.
And you know what? If most people think this is alright and like it, so be it.

Yeah, that scene bothers the heck out of me too. Saw this on Twitter last night, and I 100% agree with it:

Spoiler!

Why is it that a realistic graphics, nude anal sex scene between a man and what seems to be a trans woman is acceptable to Sony, but Sony is censoring sexual content in Japanese games that isn't full nudity to begin with, even though the rating agencies like ESRB, CERO, and PEGI are totally ok with that content being in those games? 

I would be fine if Sony censored it only in the west. The amount of political correctness in the west is bullshit and pretty much a waste of time to deal with. But to apply the same standard in Japan was fucking stupid. Thank god we have the switch for these things which is ironic considering Nintendo had a different stance back then.

Also that Druckmann thing made me laugh. Won't be surprised if that was his actual intention. The guy has his head so far up his ass.

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What is forced diversity?



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Xxain said:
What is forced diversity?

Forcing a more diverse cast of characters into a piece of media with a setting where it doesn't make sense to have that level of diversity. Or forcing a more diverse cast of characters in just for brownie points with the woke crowd, without giving those characters proper justification or character development. A great example is Finn in the new Star Wars movies, they made him black just for the brownie points with the woke crowd, then gave him shit character development, and then shrunk him on the Chinese posters for the movies because China doesn't like black characters. He was a token character just for the brownie points with the woke crowd in the west, quickly discarded by Disney when they thought he would hurt their ticket sales in China. 



There needs to justification to have a non white character?



Xxain said:
There needs to justification to have a non white character?

Depending on the setting, yes. For instance, when Kingdom Come Deliverance released a few years ago, the woke crowd on ResetEra and such was criticizing the game for having an all-white cast, even though it made absolute sense for a game set in 1400's Bohemia to have an all-white cast, due to the fact that there is no historical evidence of people of color living in 1400's Bohemia in significant numbers. If they had caved in to the Era crowd and put a darker skinned character in the game, they would have needed to give a darn good justification for that characters presence in Bohemia.

Diversity is not a bad thing, it is a great thing in fact, but forced diversity sucks. I have no problem with diversity in media when it is done right. For instance, I'm a big Star Trek fan, and my favorite of the Star Trek series is Star Trek Voyager. Voyager was well known for having one of the most diverse casts of any tv series back in the 90's, it had a white female captain (the first major female captain in a Star Trek series), a native-American first officer, a black Vulcan security officer, an Asian-American Ops officer, and a Klingon Chief Engineer who was played by a Latina actress, plus a few other white characters. But it never felt forced or in your face, like "we have a diverse cast, we're better than every other show out there because we're diverse". It felt natural and made absolute sense for the show's setting. 

Another great example of forced diversity is the recent Witcher tv series on Netflix, where they changed the races of several characters from the books just so that they could have a more diverse cast for the show. No reasoning was given for this, it was clearly just there so that the woke crowd wouldn't riot because the show had an all-white main cast.

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gets a 10/10 from me

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shikamaru317 said:
Xxain said:
There needs to justification to have a non white character?

Depending on the setting, yes. For instance, when Kingdom Come Deliverance released a few years ago, the woke crowd on ResetEra and such was criticizing the game for having an all-white cast, even though it made absolute sense for a game set in 1400's Bohemia to have an all-white cast, die to the fact that there is no historical evidence of people of color living in 1400's Bohemia in significant numbers. If they had caved into the Era crowd and put a darker skinned character in the game, they would have needed to give a darn good justification for that characters presence in Bohemia.

Diversity is not a bad thing, but forced diversity sucks. I have no problem with diversity when it is done right. For instance, I'm a big Star Trek fan, and my favorite of the Star Trek series is Star Trek Voyager. Voyager was well known for having one of the most diverse casts of any tv series back in the 90's, it had a white female captain (the first major female captain in a Star Trek series), a native-American first officer, a black Vulcan security officer, an Asian-American Ops officer, and a Klingon Chief Engineer who was played by a Latina actress, plus a few other white characters. But it never felt forced or in your face, like "we have a diverse cast, we're better than every other show out there because we're diverse". It felt natural and made absolute sense for the show's setting. 

You can make the historical argument in the first case, but what reason is there that a black person couldn't be a storm trooper? There was a black person in the original trilogy so it's not like Star Wars was a cosmic white enthostate before Flin. 



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