Yes he didn't said the console have problems with heat although gaving it as reason to be big. Again generating a lot of heat  isn't the same thing as having a heat problem.

A different thread this days talking about DF analysis of HW beeing flawed because it compared an AMD CPU with stock very simple cooling solution versus a i7 with water cooled solution. Would you claim that the i7 have heat problem?

Having a heat problem would reflect in your set up overheating and your life expectancy reducing. Neither is likely to happen even though we had this type of claim in the forum and also that Sony was having issues with the PS5 overheating and for that reason they didn't had show the console yet.

Sorry, I'm still trying to find what's wrong with Soundwave's comment, to be honest.

Will the SoC powering the new consoles use more power than the ones in past generations? Yes. Will that mean that it will generate more heat? Also yes (more power used = more heat produced). Have consoles got bigger to fit a better cooling system to take care of that heat so it doesn't become a problem for the console? Also yes.

Also yes, the new Intel processors have a problem. They use a lot of power and get very, very hot. That's why they need a much better cooler than the competition. A cooler that works just fine with a Ryzen 3000 will strugle to keep an Intel cool. You need either a CLC unit or a much bigger air cooler.

We haven't even seem the PS5 disassembled. In the case of the XSX the size is in function of the size of the chips themselves, at most the vapor chamber made the console a little more fat.

And the wrong is on the "problem". Again if you have a design that meets the requirements and don't fail or anything similar than that isn't a problem it is a condition of your design.

It would be like saying PS4 or X1 have a problem with electrical draw power because they consume a lot more than Switch, that wouldn't be true. Switch may by design use components that draw less electrical power, but if both PS4 and Xbox are designed for a different condition that needs more power that isn't a problem. The noise on PS4 can be said to be a problem since their cooling solution wasn't as well made as Xbox so to keep the console cool it became noisy, but still it didn't had a thermal problem. The only cases we heard of PS4 overheating (and got a lot of fear mongering here) was a demo console closed in an glass dome with very little ventilation.

I feel like we're walking in circles and mixing  terms.

Again, the consoles don't have a problem with heat because they've been designed to take care of it. The ones that has a problem is AMD, that males power (electricity) hungry GPUs that produce more heat. Had AMD been able to make chips that use less power (electricity), the consoles could use smaller cooling systems.

Let's not fools ourseles here, the bigger a console is, the more expensive it is. It needs more materials to be made, the package needs to be bigger and therefore is also more expensive and the bigger the package is, the less units can be transported in a shipping container, truck or van. And given that Optical Disc Drive are the same size as before and that they don't have bulky HDDs, if they've gone bigger instead of smaller is because they have a bigger cooling system. That is not a problem, is a consequence of the problem (from AMD).

And consoles are designed with a power/performance in mind, and they pick the components available to reach that desired performance. The power/electricity that such system consumes is a consequence of that, and it needs to be taken care of

So once again, we reach the same conclusion as before: the consoles don't have a problem with heat. It's a side effect, one they've taken care of with bigger and better cooling systems that make the consoles bigger, of going with AMD, that is the one that has problems with heat.

The Ps5 Design looks like a cheap WLan Router to me.

I don't. But I don't feel it matters that much either. I'm still going to want the system regardless of what it looks like.

PS4 had a problem through it's entire life, but more so early on, in terms of consistency when it came to noise level. Some PS4's were much quieter overall than others. I witnessed this first hand with multiple versions of the PS4. Hopefully this isn't as much of a problem with PS5. If the PS5 isn't much better, or worse than PS4 when it comes to cooling noise levels, then SNY should get huge backlash for designing it like that and caring way to much about the visual aspect of it. Then again, it does kinda look a little like a plane wing, and I'd assume even more so from the rear, so sounding like a jet would just make too much sense in today's meme reality.

By "plenty of space" I meant to cool adequately, not that it's an empty void for no reason. I don't think it's too big. It's big for a console, like the XBSX, that seems fairly clear based on the educated guesses, but as long as it fits where it's supposed to, is reasonably quiet, and doesn't cost too much, then I don't see the problem. If anything, SNY kinda made things tougher on themselves by making PS4 too small when it launched. The PS4 should have been somewhere between the PS3 Slim and PS3 Phat. Now people have it in their minds that a SNY launch console should be that small, when that's not really the case, especially with the amount of horse flops crammed inside of these.

I'd guess the PS5 fan(s) takes up a considerable amount of room inside of there. I'd also guess it's much like PS4 where everything is sandwiched together in the middle, with thin heat sink plates covering the entire top and bottom like bread, allowing the airflow between them in the middle and the shell casing, to pull away the accumulated outer heat. I doubt that gap is very big, but enough to cool efficiently regardless. The ODD is likely separated and below the middle 'sandwich'.

That would work too, but the center stand would be more simplistic as of now, while also easily looking the part. The more additional separated support feet/bars you add, the more it will take away from the sleek look, even if they can be removed when vertical. The smaller additional support feet would likely be much cheaper though, while a stand like what I mocked up would likely only work well horizontal if made as cheap as reasonably possible. A cheap plastic stand like this that also could be used when vertical may be asking for trouble, or considerably more expensive if made much more sturdy, than some smaller support feet/bars would though.

How many 1 dollar bills for a pink version?

I don't have a problem with console size personally; I never had an issue with the original Xbox or fat PS3 being bulky.

I admit, neither a PS5 nor a Series X are going to fit into my current TV cabinet, as it has just enough space for a Wii, a PS3, a 360, and a Wii U to fit comfortably side by side, and while the Wii U has been packed away now, that's obviously not enough free space for one of these beasts.

But heck, if I end up getting one I'll work something out; probably just plonk it on the floor next to the cabinet, may not look neat but who cares, I've never been a stickler for everything to look super organised. (Despite having clinical OCD, which unlike what the media portrays often has nothing to do with wanting things tidy)

While I find it interesting from a design point of view, size just isn't really a factor for me and certainly doesn't make a console less appealing.

Well you can alway pack the older consoles for a while until you figure a good placement for them. Or a small shelf.