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eva01beserk said:

looks like this prediction was spot on. Gamepass is really just gona hurt the xbox brand.

...Care to explain the logic? What money-hatted titles show an obvious sign of Game Pass hurting the Xbox brand?

Meanwhile, thanks to Game Pass, we have titles like Dragon Quest and Yakuza launching on Xbox consoles for the first time ever thanks to the incredibly generous payment method.

B6a6es said:

Im Pretty sure big 3rd party AAA Publishers arent very fond of the Gamepass model since it would take away their potential sales of newer titles on Xbox Platforms, like when Take two released RDR2 and GTAV on Gamepass, yet only lasted for 3 months before taking them down

Xbox & Developers come to an agreement on how long their titles will stay on Game Pass before the titles even release onto Game Pass...Game Pass was likely very good for GTAV/RDR2 as Rockstar makes most of their money from their online now.

DonFerrari said:
src said:

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There are rumors of Street Fighter 6 also being exclusive on consoles.

It's actually the opposite Capcom has just suffered a massive data breach, in which it revealed Street Fighter VI is coming to PS5, Series X/S, PC and Xbox One/PS4.



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MasonADC said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Also I can't help but think how much Xbox is going to SUUUUUUUCK next gen. They'll be like Gamecube, without Nintendo games.

There is absolutely no way Xbox one generation will be better than series X. So it’s already an improvement. 

Unlike Xbox One at its early years, i literally dont need to buy an Xbox to enjoy their games as well as Gamepass if i own a PC

Even Phil Spencer himself said they no longer care about Hardware Sales anymore since and Gamepass being the Future of The Xbox Brand going forward, in fact he went as far to say that he wanted Gamepass on PS5 and Switch



B6a6es said:
MasonADC said:

There is absolutely no way Xbox one generation will be better than series X. So it’s already an improvement. 

Unlike Xbox One at its early years, i literally dont need to buy an Xbox to enjoy their games as well as Gamepass if i own a PC

Even Phil Spencer himself said they no longer care about Hardware Sales anymore since and Gamepass being the Future of The Xbox Brand going forward, in fact he went as far to say that he wanted Gamepass on PS5 and Switch

I don’t really think that was the point. Anyways that’s great that they allow for more options



MasonADC said:
B6a6es said:

Unlike Xbox One at its early years, i literally dont need to buy an Xbox to enjoy their games as well as Gamepass if i own a PC

Even Phil Spencer himself said they no longer care about Hardware Sales anymore since and Gamepass being the Future of The Xbox Brand going forward, in fact he went as far to say that he wanted Gamepass on PS5 and Switch

I don’t really think that was the point. Anyways that’s great that they allow for more options

I would definitely agree Profit-wise (even though Gamepass is quite Costly, Minecraft would cover them regardless) 



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Cerebralbore101 said:

Disgaea 6 is a Switch exclusive. Unless of course you can speak/read japanese, and import PS4 games. End of debate.

Nope, that's not what the word exclusive means. D6 is on PS4. Nintendo moneyhatting the localisation doesn't make it exclusive lmao



Conina said:
src said:

LMAO stop. You tried desperately to downplay the notion that PS continues to be the only platform that is able to get such a wide selection of third party games by listing a list of games across 3 platforms, of which many are going to come to PS.

You seem unable to differ two key points:

  1. Playstation continues to get the best third party support in the industry. You need multiple consoles to match what a single Playstation has.

Actually you only need one platform to get more quality games per year than on PlayStation in the last years: PC

No matter, where you draw the line for a good game (90+ MetaScore, 85+ MetaScore, 80+ MetaScore, 75+ MetaScore), PC had (slightly) more of them this and last year:

  • 2019 PC:PS4 MetaScore 90+: 4:4, 2020 PC:PS4+5 MetaScore 90+: 5:4
  • 2019 PC:PS4 MetaScore 85+: 21:17, 2020 PC:PS4+5 MetaScore 85+: 25:22
  • 2019 PC:PS4 MetaScore 80+: 84:66, 2020 PC:PS4+5 MetaScore 80+: 63:58
  • 2019 PC:PS4 MetaScore 75+: 144:114, 2020 PC:PS4+5 MetaScore 75+: 130:126

And in 2020 some PS-games even were counted double, when they have a PS4 and a PS5 version (f. e. AC Valhalla, Miles Morales, Dirt 5, Planet Coaster, Sackboy, The Pathless and CoD BO Cold War). So these could be substracted from the 2020 numbers on the PS-side.

PC has the fewest exclusives (Half-Life: Alyx, MS Flight Simulator, Crusader Kings 3, Panzer Corps 2, Stormland, Asgard's Wrath...), but the number PS games it doesn't get can be compensated with "console exclusive games" it shares with Xbox or Switch.

Switch also is strong in comparison with PlayStation when you draw the line at 85+ MetaScore, 80+ MetaScore or 75+ MetaScore for a good game:

  • 2019 Switch:PS4 MetaScore 90+: 3:4, 2020 Switch:PS4+5 MetaScore 90+: 3:4
  • 2019 Switch:PS4 MetaScore 85+: 25:17, 2020 Switch:PS4+5 MetaScore 85+: 13:22
  • 2019 Switch:PS4 MetaScore 80+: 82:66, 2020 Switch:PS4+5 MetaScore 80+: 66:58
  • 2019 Switch:PS4 MetaScore 75+: 152:114, 2020 Switch:PS4+5 MetaScore 75+: 125:126

And again, in 2020 some PS-games could be substracted from this comparison due to double counted PS4 + PS5 version.

So get off your high horse. All platforms (even Xbox) are getting more than enough entertaining games every year:

The problem with this methodology is that it equates every game. Its more nuanced than that. PS4 getting FF7R or Ghost of Tsushima is more prominent than the PC getting Monster Train.

That's why I listed the games. If you want to do the entire list, then placing them in the following categories would be best:

  1. AAA
  2. AA/A
  3. Indie
  4. Very popular Indie (Fall Guys, Among Us, Huntdown etc)

Its very obvious to see that Playstation gets the best third party support in the AAA, AA, A areas.

List of PS4/5 games that will not be on PC:

  1. Granblue Fantasy
  2. Project Awakening
  3. Bablyon
  4. FF7R2
  5. FF16
  6. Persona
  7. Sakura Wars
  8. Aegis 13 Sentinels

List of PS4/5 games that will not be on SW:

  1. Granblue Fantasy
  2. Project Awakening
  3. Bablyon
  4. FF7R2
  5. Nier Replicant
  6. FF16
  7. RE8
  8. DMCV SE
  9. MHW2
  10. Team Ninja Nioh succesor
  11. Tales of Arise
  12. Persona
  13. Sakura Wars
  14. Aegis 13 Sentinels
  15. Ghostwire Tokyo

List of PS4/5 games not on XSX/XB1:

  1. Granblue Fantasy
  2. Project Awakening
  3. Bablyon
  4. FF7R
  5. FF16
  6. Team Ninja Nioh successor
  7. Persona
  8. Aegis 13 Sentinels
  9. Ghostwire Tokyo
  10. Genshin Impact
  11. DQ12
  12. Ace Attorney
  13. Yokai Watch
  14. Sakuna Rice
  15. Sakura Wars


Ryuu96 said:
eva01beserk said:

looks like this prediction was spot on. Gamepass is really just gona hurt the xbox brand.

...Care to explain the logic? What money-hatted titles show an obvious sign of Game Pass hurting the Xbox brand?

Meanwhile, thanks to Game Pass, we have titles like Dragon Quest and Yakuza launching on Xbox consoles for the first time ever thanks to the incredibly generous payment method.

B6a6es said:

Im Pretty sure big 3rd party AAA Publishers arent very fond of the Gamepass model since it would take away their potential sales of newer titles on Xbox Platforms, like when Take two released RDR2 and GTAV on Gamepass, yet only lasted for 3 months before taking them down

Xbox & Developers come to an agreement on how long their titles will stay on Game Pass before the titles even release onto Game Pass...Game Pass was likely very good for GTAV/RDR2 as Rockstar makes most of their money from their online now.

DonFerrari said:

There are rumors of Street Fighter 6 also being exclusive on consoles.

It's actually the opposite Capcom has just suffered a massive data breach, in which it revealed Street Fighter VI is coming to PS5, Series X/S, PC and Xbox One/PS4.

So it isn't the oopposite, as it will still be on PS5 =p



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Cerebralbore101 said:

Disgaea 6 is a Switch exclusive. Unless of course you can speak/read japanese, and import PS4 games. End of debate.

Nope, that's not what the word exclusive means. D6 is on PS4. Nintendo moneyhatting the localisation doesn't make it exclusive lmao

Your right, if you live in Japan or speak fluent Japanese it is not exclusive.

But if not, then Switch is your only option.  Thats what exclusive outside of Japan means.  Oh and please provide proof of the moneyhat.  Considering that in the west, D5 sold much more on Switch...it seems like focus on Switch would have been more worthwhile for the west.  The PS4 version had most of its sales in Japan, so of course they released it on PS4 over there.  But if only the Switch saw decent sales in the west...

Look I get you are looking for new ways to bloat your list after you tried bloating it with a separate listings for XSX and Switch (despite many releasing on one or the other, making them not PS exclusive), but you are really reaching here by going for games that most PS owners will not have the option of playing on PS as far as we know.

You even listed timed exclusives in your DUAL lists, then tried to say timed exclusive games for Switch can't count.  You have done nothing but tip toe around every counter argument given to you, and continue to avoid the actual topic at hand, will PS5 have more 3rd party exclusives than PS4, which is a giant no due to more Japanese games coming to Switch and the fact that western games will not choose to stay off XBox without a Sony moneyhat of their own.

Give it up man, its over.

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DonFerrari said:
Ryuu96 said:

...Care to explain the logic? What money-hatted titles show an obvious sign of Game Pass hurting the Xbox brand?

Meanwhile, thanks to Game Pass, we have titles like Dragon Quest and Yakuza launching on Xbox consoles for the first time ever thanks to the incredibly generous payment method.

B6a6es said:

Im Pretty sure big 3rd party AAA Publishers arent very fond of the Gamepass model since it would take away their potential sales of newer titles on Xbox Platforms, like when Take two released RDR2 and GTAV on Gamepass, yet only lasted for 3 months before taking them down

Xbox & Developers come to an agreement on how long their titles will stay on Game Pass before the titles even release onto Game Pass...Game Pass was likely very good for GTAV/RDR2 as Rockstar makes most of their money from their online now.

It's actually the opposite Capcom has just suffered a massive data breach, in which it revealed Street Fighter VI is coming to PS5, Series X/S, PC and Xbox One/PS4.

So it isn't the oopposite, as it will still be on PS5 =p

Uhh, Wth is happening with quote trees? Why did it automatically cut some of them out? Has anyone else noticed this?

I meant opposite of exclusive, multiplatform But yeah it will be on PS5. Capcom has been killing it lately, I think the only reason they went exclusive in the past (DR, SF) was a lack of funds but now they're rolling in MH money