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dark_gh0st_b0y on 01 June 2020

didn't quite follow this story but seems like it's building up

Do we even know the background of the policeman murderer? I mean is it a racist act or police brutality, or just an accident due to an irresponsible person like many? How did the other policemen at the scene react?

Even if it was a racist act, people really don't know how to protest anymore, what is happening now in the US is social terrorism. Can someone be anti-police brutality and pro-violence at the same time? People have totally lost it.

Last edited by dark_gh0st_b0y - on 01 June 2020

don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

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DonFerrari on 01 June 2020

Actually the world have never been better (well except for the virus outbreak killing a little more people than what would have without it). Every decade or so we improve living conditions, life expectancy, etc.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 01 June 2020
Captain_Yuri said:
kirby007 said:

the mayans were off by 8 years

God damn lag

Try to game 4000 years difference and without broadband connection.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Torillian on 01 June 2020
kirby007 said:
Torillian said:

And there's another one. Pointing to other problems as a way of diminishing the current concerns. If someone came to you and said they had cancer would you tell them "Shut the fuck up global warming is going to kill us all in 100 years"? It's definitely a concern, and something that we should take seriously, but isn't really pertinent to the person who came to you with their concerns. 

no but that person has the power to tell(protest/annoy) me and those others cant

In which case I would tell you that someone working on a different problem shouldn't be viewed as a detriment to your own work on another problem. If I spend my free time working towards greener energy solutions I shouldn't view the person working towards better policing standards as a detriment, but just someone that has different priorities based on their life experience. We are both working towards making the world a better place, we simply have different angles on that same goal. 



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Torillian on 01 June 2020
Nautilus said:
Torillian said:

Saying "all lives matter" as a response to "black lives matter" is not done in good faith. It's done to diminish the concerns of black people who face disproportionate police brutality. Well meaning centrists who take the movement's title statement at face value is why it has been so successful. 

Honestly, it's strategically pretty brilliant while disgusting in its intent because the centrist response writes itself. "Well why don't all lives matter?"

Personally speaking, I say this because of two reasons:

1 - It's the truth, and it's something that it's easy to lose sights on, especially when something this outrageous happens.

2 - Because many of those people that says ''Black Lives Matter'' are the same ones that are destroying people belongings and properties or attacking white people that had done nothing other than just... being white and being on the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't look no further than what is happening right now. I don't mean to downplay the situation. Black people deserves better treatment and all. But if we really want to extinguish racism, we need to start treating it as a broader discussion, to discuss racism as a whole and attack its cause, rather than just some of it's many branches. Otherwise you end up like now: People picking sides, because they feel like the other side it's trying to downplay the other, like it's some fucking sport.

I understand you have your reasons, but you should know that you are falling into the hands of reactionaries who are using your straightforwardness against you. It's a game of sorts, and unfortunately they aren't playing fairly. This is why when you say "All Lives Matter" you are going to get pushback because people will assume you are trying to diminish the voice of Black Lives Matter. 



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kirby007 on 01 June 2020
Torillian said:
kirby007 said:

no but that person has the power to tell(protest/annoy) me and those others cant

In which case I would tell you that someone working on a different problem shouldn't be viewed as a detriment to your own work on another problem. If I spend my free time working towards greener energy solutions I shouldn't view the person working towards better policing standards as a detriment, but just someone that has different priorities based on their life experience. We are both working towards making the world a better place, we simply have different angles on that same goal. 

it shouldn't be claimed more important which is happening right now ... this by any means nessecary attitude



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DonFerrari on 01 June 2020
Torillian said:
Nautilus said:

Personally speaking, I say this because of two reasons:

1 - It's the truth, and it's something that it's easy to lose sights on, especially when something this outrageous happens.

2 - Because many of those people that says ''Black Lives Matter'' are the same ones that are destroying people belongings and properties or attacking white people that had done nothing other than just... being white and being on the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't look no further than what is happening right now. I don't mean to downplay the situation. Black people deserves better treatment and all. But if we really want to extinguish racism, we need to start treating it as a broader discussion, to discuss racism as a whole and attack its cause, rather than just some of it's many branches. Otherwise you end up like now: People picking sides, because they feel like the other side it's trying to downplay the other, like it's some fucking sport.

I understand you have your reasons, but you should know that you are falling into the hands of reactionaries who are using your straightforwardness against you. It's a game of sorts, and unfortunately they aren't playing fairly. This is why when you say "All Lives Matter" you are going to get pushback because people will assume you are trying to diminish the voice of Black Lives Matter. 

And many that stand for the BLM are falling pray on the hands of people that profit from the protests, money from government to their foundation, etc. And they can be even more unfair.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

kirby007 on 01 June 2020
Hiku said:
kirby007 said:

it shouldn't be claimed more important which is happening right now ... this by any means nessecary attitude

If you want to raise awareness for another issue, do it in a genuine way, separately. Not as a deflection from another plight.

You can probably gauge which one you think is more important based on how people respond.

oh yes bad cops are bad, we should not have cops at all



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Spike0503 on 01 June 2020

Isn't police brutality as a whole a larger issue? Specially with the whole "blue wall" thing where the people in the police protect each other from accountability. I remember reading a story years ago where a policewoman in the US knocked on a door and a kid with a wiimote opened it; she thought the wiimote was a gun therefore she shot him and killed him. He was white. I believe she didn't go to jail and kept her job as far as I'm aware of.

I don't mean to disregard the racism issue, it's just my observations as someone who isn't from the US. Everyone in a community suffers if the gov. people with the guns aren't held accountable for their actions.



Soundwave on 01 June 2020

"All Lives Matter" is idiotic. 

If a fire truck is driving to your neighbourhood to put out a house on fire do you stop them and insist that your house that isn't on fire also be first hosed down because "all houses are equal".

No you dumb fuck, they're not. Situations are different.