Technically it is the same, but Xbox One + Xbox One S + Xbox One X were counted as the same generation and between them the compatibility was mandatory. Only a part of the total XBO-library got enhanced versions for the Xbox One X.

With "smart delivery" as an option, third parties aren't forced to further enhance XBO + XBO X games for the Series X and they aren't forced to support XBO + XBO X for their new games.

XBO games will be compatible to the Xbox Series, but if the developers/publishers want to advertise them with "smart delivery", they have to enhance these games (further) on the new hardware. It is a good indicator for consumers if a game gets optimized to the new hardware or is just a lazy port.

If it's consumer friendly in your opinion then you can't complain about it. Should have stopped there or not calling it consumer friendly.

A simple PS5 logo got also hyped up and that after MS showed their console already. Everything what Sony does will get hyped up even If it's nothing. That's the Internet and crazy fans for you

MS will show their big guns months before release. Not sure why this May event is such a big thing for many. We also got trailers for games coming to PS5 already which didn't blow minds.

Will Xbox exclusives look as good as PS5 exvlusives or even better? No idea...the last years Sony devs definitely showed more skill if it comes to graphics or some tricks to let games look better. Could be the same next gen but who knows

So you're suggesting we need developers to focus on making great looking games... even if consumers aren't gonna buy it? Quite honestly, that's stupid. If Killzone:SF got people excited about next gen then more people would have bought it. Instead other cross gen shooters did much better. I think we ultimately learned that logic is flawed.

Consumers rather throw their money at a cross gen game (with improved visuals and performance) than a mediocre visual showcase.

I think its also worth considering the mid gen upgrades took some of the wind out next gen. Because they already delivered on some performance and resolution upgrades we expect for next gen. So when developers advertise something like 4K many just say, "meh."

Look Jack, here's the deal. Ideally we should want good games that push next gen specs, but I'm not gonna request mediocre games with pretty graphics.

Dint Geoff Keelly said thats a absurd prediction? And shortly after the UE5 tech demo blew everyone away so why still make this kind of remark? 

Yeah during this whole Xbone cross gen ordeal, people have been forgetting conveniently that launches are typically cross gen games and pretty games that don't offer much of anything new but sure look good. Even goop in one of his many threads about it, started out saying Microsoft would be robbing customers of unique gameplay experiences only made possible by new gen but quickly shifted to pretty graphics once multiple people reminded him that the PS4 launch games he was listing offered nothing new plus PS4 was chock full of tons of cross gen content during its first couple years. Look at this UE5 demo, looked gameplay wise like it could have been any different number of generic action titles from the last gen or two, just with graphics turned up to 12. It's difficult to know which narrative to follow, but something tells me when July hits and the first party XSX games look fantastic, we'll be shifting back to the whole "well they are just upscaled Xbone games!!".

Games like Killzone 6 or Ryse were perfect launch games. The Order would have been a good launch game. Infamous was good for launch. But we're not still seeing those types of games for a reason. Idk why this writer is expecting mid/late gen magic from a third party showcase. And no one has even touched on the COVID effect yet. She wanted CDPR and Activision and other big guns, maybe they could have been there if everyone wasn't working from home.

You made a good point regarding mid gen upgrades, too. This is the first gen where we are launching after the previous gen had upgrades. It's bound to change things.

Because tech demos do not represent what we see in our actual console games and Keelly is just spouting PR.  We see the same line spun every generation along with the whole "X console will out perform PC" nonsense.

Don't believe me?  Look up a video of the tech demos for UE4 or even UE3.  The games never hild up to the tech demos, as tech demos often portray performance not attainable in practice on retail consoles.

Start at the 20min mark if you like. DF would disagree with you. 

Hey if you want to believe you will see a PS2 to PS3 level leap, you are free to either lie to yourself or be disappointed.  No skin off my nose.  I am not that impressed by the tech demo, and nothing you say will change that.

Especially when your best argument is a cherry picked quote right after they say they don't know if most developers will be able to take advantage of everything we are seeing in the demo.  Not to mention the fact that this engine is compatible with last gen consoles, making your entire argument about a next gen console leap being more than what it will be completely moot out of the gate.

All I see are people being biased based on whether they like Sony or Microsoft. As a neutral party because I play Ninty and don't care much for graphics, I think Microsoft has the right approach. Projecting the image of being consumer friendly and games/gamer focused is usually what drives out the best results for all 3 companies plus Microsoft needs people to adopt it's services like game pass, xcloud, etc more than they need to sell individual games or even consoles. Microsoft isn't even playing the consoles sold numbers game because they can't win them or profit much off them if they do. Being considered a brand that's consumer friendly is much more important than anything else for them.

As for Sony, they are really sticking with the less is more strategy and let's be honest, they need to screw up royally for the ps5 not to succeed. But they need to show something tangible at some point because too much teasing can be harmful.

The really fun battle is the mind games between Microsoft and Sony on who unveils their pricing first because Microsoft was caught off guard with Xbox one and PS4. Microsoft would love to undercut sony's price tag.