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What did you think of it?

I haven't watched it. 2 11.11%
 
It was cool, but made little sense. 6 33.33%
 
It was cool, and I understood it fine. 6 33.33%
 
I didn't understand it, and it wasn't cool. 4 22.22%
 
Total:18
Jumpin said:
Cerebralbore101 said:



Nothing is explained in this movie. 1. What are the Evas? 2. What is Rei?

3. Absolutely none of this shit is explained in the series at all. I watched every episode of Evangelion before watching this movie.

1. Evas are cyborg mechas used to defend Earth from angels.

2. Rei is one of the primary Eva pilots.

3. I don't know what to say, it was extremely obvious to me.

rei is a clone of shinjis mother that has the soul of lilith one of the main deitis. Eva 01 is a clone of lilith. The other evas are a clone of Adam the other main deiti. And I forgot the other boys name, koharu I belive is the soul of Adam.

I had to read up on it to finally put thouse pieces toghether. Something as off each planet had a Adam or lilith but earth had both thats why angels fought humans. 



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eva01beserk said:
Jumpin said:

1. Evas are cyborg mechas used to defend Earth from angels.

2. Rei is one of the primary Eva pilots.

3. I don't know what to say, it was extremely obvious to me.

rei is a clone of shinjis mother that has the soul of lilith one of the main deitis. Eva 01 is a clone of lilith. The other evas are a clone of Adam the other main deiti. And I forgot the other boys name, koharu I belive is the soul of Adam.

I had to read up on it to finally put thouse pieces toghether. Something as off each planet had a Adam or lilith but earth had both thats why angels fought humans. 

Yeah, that's their background information, and while it is interesting stuff for those who like the franchise, they're trivial details in comparison to the big picture and their roles in the plot. The plot really exists to meander through the various psychologically broken characters and how they're coping in an insane world struggling against the impending apocalypse. There's a lot of background information, both implicit and explicit; and with the way film and TV have been since the 1980s, some people just can't digest the implicit stuff - they'll watch a film like Vertigo or Notorious by Alfred Hitchcock and completely miss all of the sexual stuff and emotional/mental abuse in it; sometimes, especially in older films when implicit details were commonplace, it's an artistic expression to get around the censorship of the era, but other times it's an artistic expression just to pack in a lot for viewers to think about. Neon Genesis is that sort of work.

I think, with Neon Genesis, a lot of what the creator was trying to express (outside the plot) was his sci-fi interpretation of Genesis, biblical apocrypha, Daniel, and revelation. But unpacking this stuff is mainly for the people who love it, not for casual viewers like the guy from the original post. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings, there's the story of Lord of the Rings, but then there's the gigantic world of Middle Earth revealed by Lord of the Rings and its additional work (which is primarily in the Appendix, the Silmarillion/Lost Tales, and the Unfinished Tales of Numenor), there is so much about Middle Earth that can be gleaned by the journey through it, the languages, the cultures, the politics, and where the divisions occur; but then, for the more casual reader, there is Lord of the Rings, the heroic romance of the destruction of the ring of power; but that plot really wasn't Tolkien's main goal for the book, he wanted to express the cultures and history of his created universe which in turn is where his created languages reside; but that's for those who share that interest, the heroic romance part is for the transmission to the hundreds of millions of others who have read it - and occasionally he'll hook a new person into the deeper goal of his writing.



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Jumpin said:
eva01beserk said:

rei is a clone of shinjis mother that has the soul of lilith one of the main deitis. Eva 01 is a clone of lilith. The other evas are a clone of Adam the other main deiti. And I forgot the other boys name, koharu I belive is the soul of Adam.

I had to read up on it to finally put thouse pieces toghether. Something as off each planet had a Adam or lilith but earth had both thats why angels fought humans. 

Yeah, that's their background information, and while it is interesting stuff for those who like the franchise, they're trivial details in comparison to the big picture and their roles in the plot. The plot really exists to meander through the various psychologically broken characters and how they're coping in an insane world struggling against the impending apocalypse. There's a lot of background information, both implicit and explicit; and with the way film and TV have been since the 1980s, some people just can't digest the implicit stuff - they'll watch a film like Vertigo or Notorious by Alfred Hitchcock and completely miss all of the sexual stuff and emotional/mental abuse in it; sometimes, especially in older films when implicit details were commonplace, it's an artistic expression to get around the censorship of the era, but other times it's an artistic expression just to pack in a lot for viewers to think about. Neon Genesis is that sort of work.

I think, with Neon Genesis, a lot of what the creator was trying to express (outside the plot) was his sci-fi interpretation of Genesis, biblical apocrypha, Daniel, and revelation. But unpacking this stuff is mainly for the people who love it, not for casual viewers like the guy from the original post. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings, there's the story of Lord of the Rings, but then there's the gigantic world of Middle Earth revealed by Lord of the Rings and its additional work (which is primarily in the Appendix, the Silmarillion/Lost Tales, and the Unfinished Tales of Numenor), there is so much about Middle Earth that can be gleaned by the journey through it, the languages, the cultures, the politics, and where the divisions occur; but then, for the more casual reader, there is Lord of the Rings, the heroic romance of the destruction of the ring of power; but that plot really wasn't Tolkien's main goal for the book, he wanted to express the cultures and history of his created universe which in turn is where his created languages reside; but that's for those who share that interest, the heroic romance part is for the transmission to the hundreds of millions of others who have read it - and occasionally he'll hook a new person into the deeper goal of his writing.

this was one of the first animes to target an older audience. After it there where many who follow its footsteps. But still being the first I'm gona go on a limb and say mostly kids watched this. Like me I was really young when I first saw this. There was no way for me to grasp any of this. 



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NightlyPoe said:
Evangelion gave us Asuka Langley Soryu, one of the best-written adolescent girls I've ever seen in fiction. The level of deconstruction of this young girl is brutal and utterly true to its character. For that, Evangelion was an experience worth watching.

So I forgive the show it getting its head stuck in its own rear. Though I'm baffled as to why her character was one of the most changed in the rebuilds.

Asuka was a great character, but Rei will always be best girl.



eva01beserk said:
Jumpin said:

Yeah, that's their background information, and while it is interesting stuff for those who like the franchise, they're trivial details in comparison to the big picture and their roles in the plot. The plot really exists to meander through the various psychologically broken characters and how they're coping in an insane world struggling against the impending apocalypse. There's a lot of background information, both implicit and explicit; and with the way film and TV have been since the 1980s, some people just can't digest the implicit stuff - they'll watch a film like Vertigo or Notorious by Alfred Hitchcock and completely miss all of the sexual stuff and emotional/mental abuse in it; sometimes, especially in older films when implicit details were commonplace, it's an artistic expression to get around the censorship of the era, but other times it's an artistic expression just to pack in a lot for viewers to think about. Neon Genesis is that sort of work.

I think, with Neon Genesis, a lot of what the creator was trying to express (outside the plot) was his sci-fi interpretation of Genesis, biblical apocrypha, Daniel, and revelation. But unpacking this stuff is mainly for the people who love it, not for casual viewers like the guy from the original post. It's kind of like Lord of the Rings, there's the story of Lord of the Rings, but then there's the gigantic world of Middle Earth revealed by Lord of the Rings and its additional work (which is primarily in the Appendix, the Silmarillion/Lost Tales, and the Unfinished Tales of Numenor), there is so much about Middle Earth that can be gleaned by the journey through it, the languages, the cultures, the politics, and where the divisions occur; but then, for the more casual reader, there is Lord of the Rings, the heroic romance of the destruction of the ring of power; but that plot really wasn't Tolkien's main goal for the book, he wanted to express the cultures and history of his created universe which in turn is where his created languages reside; but that's for those who share that interest, the heroic romance part is for the transmission to the hundreds of millions of others who have read it - and occasionally he'll hook a new person into the deeper goal of his writing.

this was one of the first animes to target an older audience. After it there where many who follow its footsteps. But still being the first I'm gona go on a limb and say mostly kids watched this. Like me I was really young when I first saw this. There was no way for me to grasp any of this. 

Well I wouldn't call it the first adult anime, but I agree it is the first to make big success in the west besides Akira, Nausicaa and Ghost in the Shell.



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NightlyPoe said:
sundin13 said:

Asuka was a great character, but Rei will always be best girl.

I'll be honest, I never got the appeal of Rei.  I don't hate her, and am fine with her being the show's mascot, but she felt like more of a piece for the other characters to bounce off of than much of anything herself.  It's not so much that there's nothing to latch onto to analyze and feel emotions about, it's more that I'm not interested in investing in a character that has such relatively little meat.

Oh, one other little bit about Evangelion.  I find myself humming "Komm Süsser Tod" (the "tumbling down" song that plays during instrumentality in End of Evangelion) at work sometimes.  No one's gotten it yet and it amuses me that this happy, upbeat song is about the apocalypse.

For me rei is a blank sheet without emotions that is being filled by shinji. just like the end with shinji in the emptness recreating the world



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NightlyPoe said:
DonFerrari said:

For me rei is a blank sheet without emotions that is being filled by shinji. just like the end with shinji in the emptness recreating the world

That's kinda what I said.  She's just there for the other characters.  Not a fan of that.

Not that. My point was that she was molded by the interaction with Shinji (the others being not really relevant). But yes I can say Rei isn't a char that I appreciate.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hard disagree with you guys about Rei. She is not a blank sheet, I'd say that she is arguably the most complete character of the main three. What I mean by that is that Shinji and Asuka go into the show in a state where they are heavily dynamic. Shinji, for example, changes heavily and regularly throughout the show as a response to the stimuli around him.

Rei on the other hand, does not. That is because she has already reached a point where she does not believe she has to change. Her worldview and her priorities are largely set. I believe her flat affect is a result of this. She doesn't need to respond to Asuka or Shinji because they don't fall into her priorities. She doesn't have that general desire to be liked, because she doesn't care about what others think of her (for the most part). That isn't to say that she doesn't change throughout the show, but she is not looking to change and change is a difficult process for her.

For all three of the main characters, their absurdities and social struggles define who they are. It is easy to interpret Rei's flat affect as emptiness, but I believe it is simply a symptom of her character, and all of its absurdities. Just as she reflects the absurdities in the others, they reflect the absurdities in her. When interactions happen between characters, she highlights the absurdity of the others in how they are acting purely emotionally (say, in the elevator scene), while others highlight the absurdity in her in how she is acting in an absence of emotion (say, in the groping scene). Her lack of reaction, is a reaction in and of itself, and it tells you a lot about who she is.



sundin13 said:
Hard disagree with you guys about Rei. She is not a blank sheet, I'd say that she is arguably the most complete character of the main three. What I mean by that is that Shinji and Asuka go into the show in a state where they are heavily dynamic. Shinji, for example, changes heavily and regularly throughout the show as a response to the stimuli around him.

Rei on the other hand, does not. That is because she has already reached a point where she does not believe she has to change. Her worldview and her priorities are largely set. I believe her flat affect is a result of this. She doesn't need to respond to Asuka or Shinji because they don't fall into her priorities. She doesn't have that general desire to be liked, because she doesn't care about what others think of her (for the most part). That isn't to say that she doesn't change throughout the show, but she is not looking to change and change is a difficult process for her.

For all three of the main characters, their absurdities and social struggles define who they are. It is easy to interpret Rei's flat affect as emptiness, but I believe it is simply a symptom of her character, and all of its absurdities. Just as she reflects the absurdities in the others, they reflect the absurdities in her. When interactions happen between characters, she highlights the absurdity of the others in how they are acting purely emotionally (say, in the elevator scene), while others highlight the absurdity in her in how she is acting in an absence of emotion (say, in the groping scene). Her lack of reaction, is a reaction in and of itself, and it tells you a lot about who she is.

She is basically a robot and isn't set, every clone is a reset so she wouldn't be set or complete. The version we see the most was the one that gradually changed due to interaction and affection of shinji.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
sundin13 said:
Hard disagree with you guys about Rei. She is not a blank sheet, I'd say that she is arguably the most complete character of the main three. What I mean by that is that Shinji and Asuka go into the show in a state where they are heavily dynamic. Shinji, for example, changes heavily and regularly throughout the show as a response to the stimuli around him.

Rei on the other hand, does not. That is because she has already reached a point where she does not believe she has to change. Her worldview and her priorities are largely set. I believe her flat affect is a result of this. She doesn't need to respond to Asuka or Shinji because they don't fall into her priorities. She doesn't have that general desire to be liked, because she doesn't care about what others think of her (for the most part). That isn't to say that she doesn't change throughout the show, but she is not looking to change and change is a difficult process for her.

For all three of the main characters, their absurdities and social struggles define who they are. It is easy to interpret Rei's flat affect as emptiness, but I believe it is simply a symptom of her character, and all of its absurdities. Just as she reflects the absurdities in the others, they reflect the absurdities in her. When interactions happen between characters, she highlights the absurdity of the others in how they are acting purely emotionally (say, in the elevator scene), while others highlight the absurdity in her in how she is acting in an absence of emotion (say, in the groping scene). Her lack of reaction, is a reaction in and of itself, and it tells you a lot about who she is.

She is basically a robot and isn't set, every clone is a reset so she wouldn't be set or complete. The version we see the most was the one that gradually changed due to interaction and affection of shinji.

I'm not really sure what argument you are trying to make. The primary version of Rei that we see is very much a defined character, and she was even before the introduction of Shinji.