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If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4.

I'm happy with how my Switch games look for the moment; when the times comes I would hope it's successor can exceed the PS4 graphically and incorporate some of the advances of PS5/XSX.



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At this point I don't really care much



curl-6 said:

If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4.

I'm happy with how my Switch games look for the moment; when the times comes I would hope it's successor can exceed the PS4 graphically and incorporate some of the advances of PS5/XSX.

If last gen is anything to go by, we will get this, as the UE4 Tech Demo looks awful compared to some of the games we got like Horizon, GOW, U4 etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9CPqSKjTU



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ArchangelMadzz said:
curl-6 said:

If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4.

I'm happy with how my Switch games look for the moment; when the times comes I would hope it's successor can exceed the PS4 graphically and incorporate some of the advances of PS5/XSX.

If last gen is anything to go by, we will get this, as the UE4 Tech Demo looks awful compared to some of the games we got like Horizon, GOW, U4 etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9CPqSKjTU

I wouldn't say it looks awful, and it is notable that this demo is from June 2012, a year and a half before PS4/Xbone came out, while the UE5 demo comes to us six months out (or less) from PS5/XSX. 



curl-6 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

If last gen is anything to go by, we will get this, as the UE4 Tech Demo looks awful compared to some of the games we got like Horizon, GOW, U4 etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dD9CPqSKjTU

I wouldn't say it looks awful, and it is notable that this demo is from June 2012, a year and a half before PS4/Xbone came out, while the UE5 demo comes to us six months out (or less) from PS5/XSX. 

I'm being dramatic with awful, but it is a serious step down compared to what we saw later in the gen. The texture quality, material shader quality and the physics simulations were not anything like you saw 2015 onwards. His armour has no life to it at all.

Plus UE4 produced, Days Gone, Gears 5 etc. All much more impressive than the demo for UE4.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
curl-6 said:

I wouldn't say it looks awful, and it is notable that this demo is from June 2012, a year and a half before PS4/Xbone came out, while the UE5 demo comes to us six months out (or less) from PS5/XSX. 

I'm being dramatic with awful, but it is a serious step down compared to what we saw later in the gen. The texture quality, material shader quality and the physics simulations were not anything like you saw 2015 onwards. His armour has no life to it at all.

Plus UE4 produced, Days Gone, Gears 5 etc. All much more impressive than the demo for UE4.

Not saying it wasn't surpassed, but it does date to well before this gen started instead of the eve of the 9th gen, so I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison.

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ArchangelMadzz said:
curl-6 said:

I wouldn't say it looks awful, and it is notable that this demo is from June 2012, a year and a half before PS4/Xbone came out, while the UE5 demo comes to us six months out (or less) from PS5/XSX. 

I'm being dramatic with awful, but it is a serious step down compared to what we saw later in the gen. The texture quality, material shader quality and the physics simulations were not anything like you saw 2015 onwards. His armour has no life to it at all.

Plus UE4 produced, Days Gone, Gears 5 etc. All much more impressive than the demo for UE4.

The point of these demonstrations isn't to showcase what games will look and play like all generation long... But to showcase the individual rendering techniques and technologies that will define the games thanks to new hardware feature sets that enable them.

Unreal Engine 4.0 was showcasing the new Tessellation capabilities, Asynchronous Compute which gave us some impressive material shader effects, Cloth Physics, Post-Process effects and so much more.

Again... These demo's are NOT representations of what games will look and play like all generation long, that isn't their purpose, it's showcasing new technologies and effects, that is their purpose.
Unreal Engine 5's demonstration is it's all about it's new geometry technology, Nanite and the Ray-Traced lighting effects, Lumin, not what it means for gameplay or future graphics. - Developers will leverage those technologies in different ways, even build upon them to make them even more impressive... And that is truly something to get excited about.



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Pemalite said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I'm being dramatic with awful, but it is a serious step down compared to what we saw later in the gen. The texture quality, material shader quality and the physics simulations were not anything like you saw 2015 onwards. His armour has no life to it at all.

Plus UE4 produced, Days Gone, Gears 5 etc. All much more impressive than the demo for UE4.

The point of these demonstrations isn't to showcase what games will look and play like all generation long... But to showcase the individual rendering techniques and technologies that will define the games thanks to new hardware feature sets that enable them.

Unreal Engine 4.0 was showcasing the new Tessellation capabilities, Asynchronous Compute which gave us some impressive material shader effects, Cloth Physics, Post-Process effects and so much more.

Again... These demo's are NOT representations of what games will look and play like all generation long, that isn't their purpose, it's showcasing new technologies and effects, that is their purpose.
Unreal Engine 5's demonstration is it's all about it's new geometry technology, Nanite and the Ray-Traced lighting effects, Lumin, not what it means for gameplay or future graphics. - Developers will leverage those technologies in different ways, even build upon them to make them even more impressive... And that is truly something to get excited about.

That's my point entirely. That games will surpass what's shown in these tech demos. I was responding to

"If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4."

and saying that UE5 shipped games will definitely look better than what's shown in the tech demo. And using a past example to back up my claim. 

curl-6 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I'm being dramatic with awful, but it is a serious step down compared to what we saw later in the gen. The texture quality, material shader quality and the physics simulations were not anything like you saw 2015 onwards. His armour has no life to it at all.

Plus UE4 produced, Days Gone, Gears 5 etc. All much more impressive than the demo for UE4.

Not saying it wasn't surpassed, but it does date to well before this gen started instead of the eve of the 9th gen, so I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison.

That's why I mentioned games made using UE4. Games using UE5 will 100% look better than the tech demo we all saw.



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ArchangelMadzz said:
Pemalite said:

The point of these demonstrations isn't to showcase what games will look and play like all generation long... But to showcase the individual rendering techniques and technologies that will define the games thanks to new hardware feature sets that enable them.

Unreal Engine 4.0 was showcasing the new Tessellation capabilities, Asynchronous Compute which gave us some impressive material shader effects, Cloth Physics, Post-Process effects and so much more.

Again... These demo's are NOT representations of what games will look and play like all generation long, that isn't their purpose, it's showcasing new technologies and effects, that is their purpose.
Unreal Engine 5's demonstration is it's all about it's new geometry technology, Nanite and the Ray-Traced lighting effects, Lumin, not what it means for gameplay or future graphics. - Developers will leverage those technologies in different ways, even build upon them to make them even more impressive... And that is truly something to get excited about.

That's my point entirely. That games will surpass what's shown in these tech demos. I was responding to

"If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4."

and saying that UE5 shipped games will definitely look better than what's shown in the tech demo. And using a past example to back up my claim. 

curl-6 said:

Not saying it wasn't surpassed, but it does date to well before this gen started instead of the eve of the 9th gen, so I don't think it's a 1:1 comparison.

That's why I mentioned games made using UE4. Games using UE5 will 100% look better than the tech demo we all saw.

I'm not saying they won't, just that I'll wait and see. There are other cases of tech demos not being surpassed by actual games. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Honestly, even if they can just match it that'd be good enough for me.



curl-6 said:

If actual shipping games can meet or exceed the quality of the UE5 demo, then the jump from PS4 to PS5 will impress me more than the jump from PS3 to PS4.

I'm happy with how my Switch games look for the moment; when the times comes I would hope it's successor can exceed the PS4 graphically and incorporate some of the advances of PS5/XSX.

The current Switch can straight up run full blown high end PS4/XB1 games. 

It's just a little cramped to do it and there are cartridge storage issues to account for also, but it can do it. 

Switch 2 will be able to do the same for PS5 more easily with DLSS factored in and larger cartridge sizes also I think. 64GB cartridges will likely become reasonably cheap and 128GB may even be an option fairly quickly. 

Not to mention SD Card options ... there are even some 1TB SD Card nowadays can be found for as low as $45 US on Amazon, let alone a couple of years down the road. 

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