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CuCabeludo said:
StokedUp said:
OK, I keep. Seeing the word "woke" wtf does this mean?

The term "woke" relates creating a story that sacrifices the plot/characters consistency to favor politics just for the sake for putting politics in it without cariring  whether such elements are necessary or really fit in the storytelling.

Usually without evidence of said supposed sacrifice.
And the accusations tend to come from people who make comments like this:

"Islam and the clueless western LGBT community are two trains moving on the same railroad on opposite direction. It is just a matter of time before the crash."
"Just like all child rape cases perpetrated by migrants in Europe that are being overlooked by the autorities in behalf of political correctness."

That should look familiar to you since you made those comments.
How about iron_megalith, who made the woke comment above?

"being gay is a defect"
"rich fag"

What a surprise to find comments like that from you guys.

If you want to discuss politics from a development studio, take it to the Politics section.

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DeusXmachina said:
StokedUp said:
OK, I keep. Seeing the word "woke" wtf does this mean?

It's a word used by right wing people when something doesn't cater specifically to them or reminds them that minorities exist.

See also SJW, don't put politics in muh vidyagames!!1!1 etc

Don’t confuse right wing with alt right. Just like I don’t group up all left wingers with Antifa. 

Just want to say that I’m not opposed to minorities or gay people in video games. The woke label in video games merely means shoehorning in a left wing idealized view of the world into a story. Which many times the story and characters change to conform and the message only appeals to one political spectrum (instead of just being a politically neutral story that has universal appeal). Hence that’s why woke games are so divided and come across as preachy. 

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sales2099 said:
DeusXmachina said:

It's a word used by right wing people when something doesn't cater specifically to them or reminds them that minorities exist.

See also SJW, don't put politics in muh vidyagames!!1!1 etc

Don’t confuse right wing with alt right. Just like I don’t group up all left wingers with Antifa. 

Just want to say that I’m not opposed to minorities or gay people in video games. The woke label in video games merely means shoehorning in a left wing idealized view of the world into a story. Which many times the story and characters change to conform and the message only appeals to one political spectrum (instead of just being a politically neutral story that has universal appeal). Hence that’s why woke games are so divided and come across as preachy.

For the record I don’t consider LOU 1 as a woke game. 

I also see nothing woke in TLOU1. Amazing story and its one of my favorite games ever. For videogame websites, media, developers etc unfortunately there is only one side of the spectrum and it is to the left. Actually far left. The discussion about women in battlefield 5 for me was the final proof. No matter how much you try to explain, you always end up with the bigot and nazi namecalling. The "only one" challenge made by Sofia Warniyz a few weeks ago exemplifies it very well. But let me get out of here and this is not a political discussion.



sales2099 said:
DeusXmachina said:

It's a word used by right wing people when something doesn't cater specifically to them or reminds them that minorities exist.

See also SJW, don't put politics in muh vidyagames!!1!1 etc

Don’t confuse right wing with alt right. Just like I don’t group up all left wingers with Antifa. 

Just want to say that I’m not opposed to minorities or gay people in video games. The woke label in video games merely means shoehorning in a idealized view of the world into a story. Which many times warps the message to only appeal to one political spectrum (instead of just being a politically neutral story that has universal appeal). Hence that’s why woke games are so divided and come across as preachy. 

How do you separate what is shoehorned in and what isn't? I for example usually prefer to play as female characters for aesthetic reasons.
And how do you know if it sacrificed anything from the story if you're not the writer? Will a story inherently suffer even if I include a gay character to appease to certain crowds?
Is Chris Hemsworth at the center of the Thor movie poster not appeasing to certain crowds?

There's a saying that no story is free from political bias.
If you catch a killer, then you're virtue signaling that killing is wrong, etc.

Let me remind everyone that we had the same kind of 'woke/sjw' complaints just from the first TLOU2 trailer where Elly kissed another girl.
Some people will take any opportunity they can to inject this discussion into the entertainment section for the 500th time, after complaining about not wanting politics in their entertainment, and then go home to play FF7 where you fight a mega corporation from draining the planet of its lifeforce.

Even if we get into this, it may be a long and complicated discussion.
A lot of people here don't want to see this political mudslinging going nowhere for the 500th time. They just want to read about the subject.
So we shouldn't force them to endure it. That's why I've said, if you want to discuss politics, do it in the politics section. If you want to discuss spoilers, do it in a dedicated spoiler thread.

I hope this is the last time I have to explain why things should go in their proper threads. Whether its spoilers or politics.

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Hiku said:
sales2099 said:

Don’t confuse right wing with alt right. Just like I don’t group up all left wingers with Antifa. 

Just want to say that I’m not opposed to minorities or gay people in video games. The woke label in video games merely means shoehorning in a idealized view of the world into a story. Which many times warps the message to only appeal to one political spectrum (instead of just being a politically neutral story that has universal appeal). Hence that’s why woke games are so divided and come across as preachy. 

How do you separate what is shoehorned in and what isn't? I for example usually prefer to play as female characters for aesthetic reasons.
And how do you know if it sacrificed anything from the story if you're not the writer? Will a story inherently suffer even if I do include a gay character to appease to certain crowds?
Is Chris Hemsworth at the center of the Thor movie poster not appeasing to certain crowds?

There's a saying that no story is free from political bias.
If you catch a killer, then you're virtue signaling that killing is wrong, etc.

Let me remind everyone that we had the same kind of 'woke/sjw' complaints just from the first TLOU2 trailer where Elly kissed another girl.
Some people can and will take any opportunity they can to inject this discussion into the entertainment section for the 500th time, after complaining about not wanting politics in their entertainment, and then go home to play FF7 where you fight a mega corporation from draining the planet of its lifeforce.

A lot of people here don't want to see this "left vs right" mudslinging going nowhere for the 500th time. They just want to discuss the game.
So we shouldn't force them to endure it. That's why I've said, if you want to discuss politics, do it in the politics section.

I hope this is the last time I have to explain anything on the matter in this thread.

Hey I get it. It’s all complicated and it’s very hard to create something neutral. Just had to throw in that as a conservative myself, I don’t like other people passing negative judgement because they can’t tell the difference between right and alt right. 



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sales2099 said:

Hey I get it. It’s all complicated and it’s very hard to create something neutral. Just had to throw in that as a conservative myself, I don’t like other people assuming I’m a bigot because they can’t tell the difference between right and alt right. 

I get it. There's often unfair labeling going on when people are on edge.
This is also a complex subject, which is why it's much more suited to be had in an appropriate thread where people with the same interest go.

In the entertainment sections we should expect most readers to look for entertainment.

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Jranation said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Seeing that many people are cancelling the game because they didn't like the way the story will move forward, I wonder if some people may consider the leak a good thing. After all, isn't it better to get the bad news early and save yourself money and time than paying and playing a game you won't like in the end?

Well the game gets praised for its story and not the gameplay. Like it would be a different case if BOTW got its story leaked. 

TLOU hasn't been praised for it's gameplay? Could you expand on this statement please? I can't remember what the consensus was among critics, but I have a feeling I could find praise for the gameplay if I were to meander over to an aggregate review site and look at coverage of either the original or remaster.



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Bandorr said:
I see everyone talking about people "cancelling their pre orders" but I have a simple question.
What makes you believe they would have ever actually ordered it?

This is the same level of faux outrage that came out when they showed ellie kissing a girl two years ago (I think that's right).

I'd guess not even 1 out of 10 of these "preordered cancelled" actually ever ordered the game in the first place.

Also @Hiku you're doing great work - keep it up.

Well, it's the long awaited sequel of The Last of Us, one of the most lauded games of both last and this generation, selling over 7m copies on PS3 and over 12m on PS4. There are a lot of people waiting for the continuation of the story. If many consider it's not worth playing it, that is going to make an impact on preorders.



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