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sales2099 said:
Leynos said:

They do and they have. They publish M rated games. Nintendo may not develop M rated games but they do publish them and have put characters from M rated games in smash. As a fighter or a spirit. Nintendo paid for the distribution of Wolfenstein The New Colossus. They publish Bayonetta. They made a deal with Blizzard on Diablo III. Skyrim and others for exclusive content.  Switch I believe has the most M rated games of any Nintendo console ever made.  Nintendo could publish a dozen M rated games in a year and people would still whine and complain they are not adult enough or some are too anime. It's like how Nintendo is always creating new IPs but they never count because they are anime or too niche or not gritty enough so usually the same people who call their games kiddie or need to make "adult" games. Which is such a broad brush. What constitutes an "adult" game. To me, people who say that are too insecure to be seen playing Mario by their bro friends.

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Smash characters don’t count, you know I mean full games in themselves. Those other titles are kinda old and again most 3rd party games skip Nintendo all together. Under most circumstances this would be unacceptable, which is why Nintendo is the go-to “second console” for millions. 

Id say an adult game constitutes complicated characters with a nuanced story with mature themes like violence, sexuality, and general dark/gritty atmosphere. It’s not wrong to say Nintendo doesn’t offer that with 1st party. They are great at what they do, but you (fans) shouldn’t sweep under the rug concerns that people want a little more then their usual whimsical family friendly couch gaming session games. 

This happens every gen. Never tell a Nintendo fan their console doesn’t have adult content. Because whatever games you list, they are table scraps compared to what PC/Ps/Xbox get year round. My point is I’m defending people that have a legitimate desire to see Nintendo diversify their offerings

I'm not a Nintendo fan. I get accused of being a Sony fan sometimes as well. I'm a games fan. Said it before and say it again. Look at my name. Leynos. As in Assault Suit Leynos from the SEGA Genesis game. My avatar. Zone of the Enders 2 on PS2. My fave systems are SEGA. After that I have MS systems and Sony systems and Nintendo systems and NEC systems and Neo Geo. I love video games is all, but there are some stigmas that need to die and people have a lost of false misconceptions about Nintendo. Smash does count as they are not just publishing M rated games but promoting them in their so-called family-friendly fighting game. But nothing ever counts for people who want to claim they never make new IPs or make "adult" games as the goalposts are always moved.



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Leynos said:
sales2099 said:

This happens every gen. Never tell a Nintendo fan their console doesn’t have adult content. Because whatever games you list, they are table scraps compared to what PC/Ps/Xbox get year round. My point is I’m defending people that have a legitimate desire to see Nintendo diversify their offerings

I'm not a Nintendo fan. I get accused of being a Sony fan sometimes as well. I'm a games fan. Said it before and say it again. Look at my name. Leynos. As in Assault Suit Leynos from the SEGA Genesis game. My avatar. Zone of the Enders 2 on PS2. My fave systems are SEGA. After that I have MS systems and Sony systems and Nintendo systems and NEC systems and Neo Geo. I love video games is all, but there are some stigmas that need to die and people have a lost of false misconceptions about Nintendo. Smash does count as they are not just publishing M rated games but promoting them in their so-called family-friendly fighting game. But nothing ever counts for people who want to claim they never make new IPs or make "adult" games as the goalposts are always moved.

Ok I’ll make this simpler. I really don’t mean to offend. I view Nintendo fans as neutral and allies at best. You seem diversified but a Nintendo fan you partly still seem to be.  

Games like Last of Us or Gears of War and all they entail. Some people, who really like Nintendo, just want a void filled with their changing tastes. Relying on scraps of hand me down 3rd party games and Smash guest characters doesn’t cut it. People are entitled to voice a desire and telling them they are baseless and wrong doesn’t address the problem. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
Leynos said:

I'm not a Nintendo fan. I get accused of being a Sony fan sometimes as well. I'm a games fan. Said it before and say it again. Look at my name. Leynos. As in Assault Suit Leynos from the SEGA Genesis game. My avatar. Zone of the Enders 2 on PS2. My fave systems are SEGA. After that I have MS systems and Sony systems and Nintendo systems and NEC systems and Neo Geo. I love video games is all, but there are some stigmas that need to die and people have a lost of false misconceptions about Nintendo. Smash does count as they are not just publishing M rated games but promoting them in their so-called family-friendly fighting game. But nothing ever counts for people who want to claim they never make new IPs or make "adult" games as the goalposts are always moved.

Ok I’ll make this simpler. I really don’t mean to offend. I view Nintendo fans as neutral and allies at best. You seem diversified but a Nintendo fan you partly still seem to be.  

Games like Last of Us or Gears of War and all they entail. Some people, who really like Nintendo, just want a void filled with their changing tastes. Relying on scraps of hand me down 3rd party games and Smash guest characters doesn’t cut it. People are entitled to voice a desire and telling them they are baseless and wrong doesn’t address the problem. 

sales2099 you nailed it again! Exactly what I think.



SpokenTruth said:
dark_gh0st_b0y said:

why include the joycons, it is 6.8" without them, iPhone Pro Max is 6.2"

still big I know, they could make it smaller if the technology is there

You said, "I believe it is something that could be done without even changing the console's overall design." Joycons are part of the consoles design.  How are you going to play it without controllers?

And 6.8" without the Joycons would make it one of the largest phones in the world.  It's also 4" wide.  That's an inch wider than even the biggest phones.We've reached phablet territory here. That's one bulky phone that is set to failure right out of the gate just due to size.

the controllers are small, it's not much to just attach them to play and remove them, much better than carrying around two devices and all, better access

yeah would be too big for a pocket, I don't like big phones at all

I don't think it's impossible, but it's been 3 years already, maybe there is technology to make it 0.6" smaller



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

Fight-the-Streets said:
sales2099 said:

 Ill point out that most high profile adult themed Switch 3rd party content is just hand-me-downs from consoles that have the lions share of its sales. Majority don’t come at all. 

I have to ask, because I know Nintendo fans are passionate, but I want a plain answer: do you think Nintendo should diversify the themes of its games beyond family friendly and not rely on old 3rd party ports? Personally Nintendo was my only console growing up but as an adult I like those adult themed games and stories that Nintendo games just don’t fill. People are entitled to want their tastes accommodated, so shooing people away that want Nintendo to satisfy their growing tastes is sweeping the problem under the rug. You just driving the older generation away as Nintendo welcomes in the next batch of kids to replace them. 

On another note, do you feel Nintendo needs a complete overhaul in their online infrastructure? Not just modern multiplayer infrastructure but having a digital storefront for their legacy titles that is actively updated and not abandoned?

Thank you sales2099 you nailed it - exactly what I wanted to say. By the way, I'm a die-hard Nintendo-gamer, still owning all Nintendo consoles (home consoles and handhelds). Besides, I'm owning a PlayStation 2, 3 and 4 Pro (and never played on PC). Currently, I'm only playing Nintendo Switch, it simply consumes all of my gaming time. I absolutely love most Nintendo games but as pointed out by sales 2099, Nintendo first party doesn't cover enough adult themes. Ironically, I'm thinking of Sony exclusives such as Uncharted, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Detroit: Become Human, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, Halo from Microsoft, etc. Yes, Nintendo is doing a good job with their addictive games from keeping me away from other games that are thematically more my taste. That's funny, but we only have so much time to play;) But for many others, that's not the case and Nintendo is missing on potential sales!

Back in mid-90' to early 2000' I was also a big Manga/Anime admirer but after that almost only shit came out geared too much towards teenagers (for my taste anyway). That's why I also have a natural distaste for Anime-games, there are some great ones with adult themes, Xenoblade Chronicles for example, but some of the characters are just too cringeworthy for my taste which applies to almost all of the Anime-games.

Metroid is probably the most adult Nintendo in-house series. I have nothing to complain about it but I personally don't like if certain things are not explained and are just left in the dark. Metroid leaves too much unexplained for my taste. Of course, it's fun if you can discuss about what happens between the lines and certainly more entertaining than if everything is explained but for my taste just a bit too much is left in the dark.

Again, the above in bold from sales2099 says it all. To reverse the statement: There's no need for Nintendo to shy away adults that want to have adult-themed games. Third parties will always be there but third parties alone are not the solution. If there's much demand for certain themes, Nintendo should fill the gap!

As I said, its up to Nintendo's developers to be interested in developing the games you are talking about. Do Koizumi, Aonuma, Yabuki, Kyogoku, and the like appear interested in developing such games? I don't know.

Though, it is important that we keep Nintendo's philosophy in mind. Their first priority is fun gameplay. Everything else is secondary for the most part. I don't think they want to develop a dark game just because they want the game to be dark. They want the gameplay to have a purpose and to make sense with what the other content is being present. Take Splatoon, for example. They didn't create a new IP just for the sake of it. The environment and world of Splatoon made sense for the gameplay the developers were trying to implement, covering the surface with ink and moving around swiftly through said ink.



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Kai_Mao said:
Fight-the-Streets said:

Thank you sales2099 you nailed it - exactly what I wanted to say. By the way, I'm a die-hard Nintendo-gamer, still owning all Nintendo consoles (home consoles and handhelds). Besides, I'm owning a PlayStation 2, 3 and 4 Pro (and never played on PC). Currently, I'm only playing Nintendo Switch, it simply consumes all of my gaming time. I absolutely love most Nintendo games but as pointed out by sales 2099, Nintendo first party doesn't cover enough adult themes. Ironically, I'm thinking of Sony exclusives such as Uncharted, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, Detroit: Become Human, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima, Halo from Microsoft, etc. Yes, Nintendo is doing a good job with their addictive games from keeping me away from other games that are thematically more my taste. That's funny, but we only have so much time to play;) But for many others, that's not the case and Nintendo is missing on potential sales!

Back in mid-90' to early 2000' I was also a big Manga/Anime admirer but after that almost only shit came out geared too much towards teenagers (for my taste anyway). That's why I also have a natural distaste for Anime-games, there are some great ones with adult themes, Xenoblade Chronicles for example, but some of the characters are just too cringeworthy for my taste which applies to almost all of the Anime-games.

Metroid is probably the most adult Nintendo in-house series. I have nothing to complain about it but I personally don't like if certain things are not explained and are just left in the dark. Metroid leaves too much unexplained for my taste. Of course, it's fun if you can discuss about what happens between the lines and certainly more entertaining than if everything is explained but for my taste just a bit too much is left in the dark.

Again, the above in bold from sales2099 says it all. To reverse the statement: There's no need for Nintendo to shy away adults that want to have adult-themed games. Third parties will always be there but third parties alone are not the solution. If there's much demand for certain themes, Nintendo should fill the gap!

As I said, its up to Nintendo's developers to be interested in developing the games you are talking about. Do Koizumi, Aonuma, Yabuki, Kyogoku, and the like appear interested in developing such games? I don't know.

Though, it is important that we keep Nintendo's philosophy in mind. Their first priority is fun gameplay. Everything else is secondary for the most part. I don't think they want to develop a dark game just because they want the game to be dark. They want the gameplay to have a purpose and to make sense with what the other content is being present. Take Splatoon, for example. They didn't create a new IP just for the sake of it. The environment and world of Splatoon made sense for the gameplay the developers were trying to implement, covering the surface with ink and moving around swiftly through said ink.

While I do agree with this statement, it’s making a competitive multiplayer online game that perplexes me. Why do that when your multiplayer is stuck in pre 2004? I say this because I’m sure it was a more seamless and hassle free experience playing Halo 2 on original Xbox Live competitively.  

In regards to the OP, I sure do hope Nintendo gets their act together in all things online. 



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sales2099 said:
Kai_Mao said:

As I said, its up to Nintendo's developers to be interested in developing the games you are talking about. Do Koizumi, Aonuma, Yabuki, Kyogoku, and the like appear interested in developing such games? I don't know.

Though, it is important that we keep Nintendo's philosophy in mind. Their first priority is fun gameplay. Everything else is secondary for the most part. I don't think they want to develop a dark game just because they want the game to be dark. They want the gameplay to have a purpose and to make sense with what the other content is being present. Take Splatoon, for example. They didn't create a new IP just for the sake of it. The environment and world of Splatoon made sense for the gameplay the developers were trying to implement, covering the surface with ink and moving around swiftly through said ink.

While I do agree with this statement, it’s making a competitive multiplayer online game that perplexes me. Why do that when your multiplayer is stuck in pre 2004? I say this because I’m sure it was a more seamless and hassle free experience playing Halo 2 on original Xbox Live competitively.  

In regards to the OP, I sure do hope Nintendo gets their act together in all things online. 

Its a design choice, apparently. Seamless or not, it has caught on and Japan seems to have more fun with it than Halo or CoD at this point :P



I don't see Ninty kindly conceding its system selling exclusives to competing platforms, but I can see it expanding in other markets, it always did it, although it mainly focused on console market since NES times. As for expanding its gaming division outside of first party consoles, I can see it keeping on doing it, and even expanding it, mainly with specific games for Android and iOS, as long as they keep on non representing a menace to Ninty consoles, even more if they keep on also being powerful competitors for Microsoft.
BTW Android versions can also end on PC without necessarily needing Windows, as they just need an Android environment to run.
There are many things Ninty can do without compromising the advantages its consoles gather from first party exclusives.
Obviously non gaming market expansion can happen everywhere without console market protection worries, the only criteria will be potential profitability, potential market width, image return (Ninty won't consider even the most profitable porn business, for example) and financial viability and risk.



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With the amount of money Nintendo has and with the current success of the Nintendo Switch they have plenty of options. They can even try something risky as long as they have success with Nintendo Switch and its successor to balance it out. However, Nintendo repeated many times that they see their short-term as well as their long-term main business in the dedicated and integrated video games-hardware and software business. It simply is the way to go. To have some successful side business is always welcome but Nintendo IS a video-games company. It is their identity and nothing will change that so quickly. Their corporate slogan is "to bring smiles on peoples faces". I truly think that's what they strive for. Yes, of course it is a capitalist company but the two don't exclude each other as we can see with their over 35 years of success (with some hiccups).



CaptainExplosion said:
This is horrible news for gamers at large. These stuffed suits who only care about shares are trying to push Nintendo into the shittiest direction possible. -_-

It's the fucking garbage that everything has to be these days. Jack of all trades and master of none. I much prefer it when someone is focused on doing one or just a couple of things well.  Nintendo making consoles and games for them. I liked it when Music players were separate and phones were phones. Now companies want to do everything and be mediocre at most of them rather than focus on doing something really well. Remember when Google was a search engine and nothing more? Now we have an entire website of hundreds of failed services and devices killed by google. Stadia will soon be on there.  Killedbygoogle.

Already too many streaming services. Netflix was great a decade ago. One-stop-shop for pretty much all films and TV shows. Boy things have changed. Now every network has one and wants your $10 a month. We didn't cut the cord. Cable just evolved to something even more greedy.



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