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sales2099 said:
Pemalite said:
Those who constantly whinge about Political Correctness and their supporters are equally as bad. Let's be realistic here.

Vote with your wallet instead, if a games political messaging is something that turns you off, don't buy that game, it's capitalism at work.

 But what if the game in question is from your favourite franchise since you were a kid? It’s not so easy to just drop the franchise you’ve loved for years. It’s not so black and white 

These things tend to not be a deal breaker. But it can still take away from the games story appeal. 

I have dropped beloved franchises from my childhood. I did it for gameplay reasons, not because of any PC culture being injected in it though. Truth is, there's plenty of games out there and you can still go back to the good games in the series you loved and find some new favorites along the way.



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I don't mind games to cover politics and the like, but yes the general PC oriented theme is a sore.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Chrkeller said:
Games becoming more 'PC' is a wonderful thing. If by PC you mean women aren't half naked and are actually wearing proper attire for the task at hand. A great game has great atmosphere. Nothing ruins atmosphere more, IMHO, than characters blatantly miss dressed. RE3 is a great example. A women isn't going to wear a short skirt and tube top to fight zombies.

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The good kind of PC wont be noticed that much i think but you also have that forced in your face pandering by people that do not even understand the issues so they translate it wrongly into their projects but those things mostly sprout from developers and directors listening to vocal minorities i dare to assume.

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I feel games with japanese origin are the biggest offender on that part, i do not mind a character like Tifa but so many female characters in jrpgs are peabrained walking tits on legs.

Nothing wrong with sexy dressing but dressing them as pornstars with the depth of a puddle is low effort.

But ofcourse, let them creatively do what they want.



Immersiveunreality said:
Chrkeller said:
Games becoming more 'PC' is a wonderful thing. If by PC you mean women aren't half naked and are actually wearing proper attire for the task at hand. A great game has great atmosphere. Nothing ruins atmosphere more, IMHO, than characters blatantly miss dressed. RE3 is a great example. A women isn't going to wear a short skirt and tube top to fight zombies.

First bolded:

The good kind of PC wont be noticed that much i think but you also have that forced in your face pandering by people that do not even understand the issues so they translate it wrongly into their projects but those things mostly sprout from developers and directors listening to vocal minorities i dare to assume.

Second bolded:

I feel games with japanese origin are the biggest offender on that part, i do not mind a character like Tifa but so many female characters in jrpgs are peabrained walking tits on legs.

Nothing wrong with sexy dressing but dressing them as pornstars with the depth of a puddle is low effort.

But ofcourse, let them creatively do what they want.

I don't mind Tifa too much, though I will admit I was hoping she would have been updated in terms of outfit.  I prefer her all black outfit, the one that looks like something one would fight in.  As opposed to fighting in a sports bra.    



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Chrkeller said:
RolStoppable said:

Indeed, a bikini is a much better choice. Onechanbara for the win!!!

And some people like that in a game, I personally don't.  Just because it serves as a constant reminder I am playing a videogame.  Plus it reduces the number of games I can play with my daughters.  

Your problem with playing with your daughter aren`t zombies and gore but short skirts that people use on the street every single day?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

And some people like that in a game, I personally don't.  Just because it serves as a constant reminder I am playing a videogame.  Plus it reduces the number of games I can play with my daughters.  

Your problem with playing with your daughter aren`t zombies and gore but short skirts that people use on the street every single day?

The inappropriate outfit(s) were not RE3 specific.  RE3 was an (excellent) example.  But yes.  Kids are impressionable and playing games that imply girls are only fit for eye candy isn't a smart move.  My girls are quite intelligent and are currently taking marital arts.  So I absolutely consider the message(s) games are sending before letting them play.  It is called being a responsible parent.    

I used RE3 because the example is perfection.  Jill is a highly trained combat expert, with access to combat gear.  Additionally, she survived the events at the Spencer Mansion.  She is going against enemies with sharp teeth, claws, etc.  She will be travelling through ruin and destruction.  Shards of metal, broken glass and fire.  **** me boots, tube top and mini skirt.  Yeah, totally.  Not silly at all.   

It makes as much sense as Drake running through the Gabon rainforest with only a sock over his genitals.  

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Seece said:
sales2099 said:

 But what if the game in question is from your favourite franchise since you were a kid? It’s not so easy to just drop the franchise you’ve loved for years. It’s not so black and white 

These things tend to not be a deal breaker. But it can still take away from the games story appeal. 

You understand the greater good at work and realise for you, it's just a cherished videogame franchise, for a lot of people it's representation and validation of their very existance.

This is like a rich person whining about having to give up expensive toilet paper.

Well then I disagree with the idea of collectivism being shoehorned into video games. You basically said certain people are so sensitive and require constant validation that they need video games to give them that. It’s not the job of video games to coddle people. 

I made it clear there are ways it can be done. Hellblade and Gears 5 are great examples. Battlefield 5 and Mortal Kombat 11 are not. 



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I don’t think there was such a time where political correctness wasn’t a thing in gaming.

Religious stuff has been censored since at least the mid-1980s with Christian symbolism often removed from games in the 8-bit era unless it had something to do with a cross and vampires. In fact, if anything, the ropes have been relaxed quite a lot over the past 20 years. Xenogears and Final Fantasy Tactics back in the late 1990s were major breakthroughs, and now that sort of stuff isn’t problematic any longer.

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RolStoppable said:
sales2099 said:

I believe far more democrats are more concerned with games being aligned with their beliefs then their desire to actually play them. Look no further then Twitter or Reddit. 

Creatively I don’t believe a democrat is on the same level as someone politically neutral or conservative. Because from the shows I’ve watched with a left wing slant, the bad guy almost always has a combination of: seeing themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe, and oppressing a marginalized group. It’s so predictable. It makes it so painfully obvious they want you to know who the bad guy is.

A proper way to be creative is to make characters with grey area. Nuance. To be willing to offend to make a greater point, especially when it concerns their own beliefs. Those are things left wing creatives just have a harder time doing.

Are you trying to tell me that in shows with a right wing slant, someone who sees themselves above women, is a racist, homophobe and oppressing a marginalized group wouldn't be a bad guy?

Nice deflection without talking the point I said in any way. Of course those people are bad guys. I’m saying real creativity has other motivations and grey area at play.

Ill use examples of Xbox titles I know. Gears of War was created with all male soldiers. Because women were only required to have babies. Now I believe women can do what they want with their bodies but here’s the kicker, the game lore gives you a grey area. Because the human population is so low women giving birth like an assembly line was necessary to create the next generation, if humanity survived the locust war. Even in Gears 3 we had women soldiers but they were either too old or infertile, because again healthy women were needed to keep the population alive. If that program didn’t happen Gears 4 would have far fewer humans alive. 

Halo, Xbox’s flagship franchise is built off the idea of kidnapped child soldiers. Who are conscripted, cloned to be given back to families, and they were surgically augmented with a 33% mortality rate to do what...kill human terrorists. While morally reprehensible the greater good would be to save the galactic economy from collapsing and the ensuing riots across human space but more importantly save the lives of millions of civilians who would no doubt be caught in the crossfire. 

Thats my point. Grey area. Being offensive to have a greater point. No way a Democrat can write a premise like these, as I said they make things painfully obvious black and white 



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